[15242] in APO-L
Re: As an Eagle must fly, so must we.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (The Italian Stallion)
Tue Nov 5 02:23:43 1996
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:21:12 -0600
Reply-To: The Italian Stallion <librimd@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
From: The Italian Stallion <librimd@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961104203238.19603A-100000@tavarua>
> Our principals are NOT based on it - or our principals would
> read "Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient,
> Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent." The purpose was not to
> continue the efforts of the Scouts (and that's "Scouts" with a capital
> "S") -
Every brother ever initiated has taken an oath in which we state that
we will uphold the scout oath and law. Horton DID intend for us to
continue the efforts of the Boy Scouts. The original name for APhiO was
going to be Beta Sigma Alpha. Delta chapter was originally Epsilon Sigma
Fraternity.
> that's part of the reason that the Order of the Arrow exists. OA
> is the BSA Brotherhood - not Alpha Phi Omega.
Gee....guess where our initiation ritual comes from? OA!!
> At some point in time, every person, group, country must exert it's own
> independence and come into the light on its own. We learn the history of
> the United States - but that doesn't mean I sing "God Save the Queen"
> rather than "The Star Spangled Banner." It is important that we learn
> these things - but we ARE NOT the Boy Scouts of America.
Oh, please. If we were bound to the past, we'd all be brothers of Sigma
Alpha Epsilon frat, the frat that spawned Alpha chapter of APhiO. For a
more proper American-patriot reference, abandoning the scout oath and law
as the basis for hiO O would be like ignoring the Bill of Rights.
> Has it been made clear yet that the Scout Oath and Law are the property of
> the BSA?
No, its the property of Boy Scouts International.
> That they LET us publish them and are not required by anything
> to let us do so? That they could very easily decide that it isn't in
> their best interest to allow us to continue to use them and tell us not to
> utilize them at all? I know that this is not the main issue under
> discussion, but wanted to insert that.
All scouts have the right to use the Scout oath and law. Also, no one
can prevent a group from utilizing another group's code of laws. If that
were true, the Jewish people could sue every Christian organization on earth.
> Where does anything say that our principles are the Scout Oath and Law?
In the oath that you take. In the purpose of the fraternity. In the
first lightbearers printed by Alpha chapter.
> let me make clear that, as with any posting from a member of the Board
> of Directors, we do not represent the Board as a whole, or any other
> member of the Board of Directors
I hope not. I'd like to think that the board as a whole understands the
importance of the scout oath and law in this fraternity. Remember, in the
history of the fraternity, Horton states that he was searching for a code
of conduct to make the world a better place, and found it in the scout
oath and law.
-Delta 1159
Mark Librizzi
