[15375] in APO-L
Re: all males
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy Finder)
Fri Nov 8 12:02:31 1996
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:50:13 -0400
Reply-To: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
From: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <01IBLO1DP8RIHXIRHF@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Thomas W. Strong Jr. wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Roger Lee Stearns Jr. wrote:
> I'm going from memory here, and in this case memory of documents from the
> sectional archives, but what I remember of the circumstances around APO
> going co-ed are as follows:
>
> in the mid-1970s title IX was passed, barring gender discrimination at
> schools receiving public support, and in organizations at those schools,
> if the organizations received the support of the schools (free use of
> rooms and the like were considered support, so APO was usually"supported"
> by the schools under this definition)
Support of the school has generally been interpreted pretty broadly. If for
example the organization has a mailbox provided by the school or gives
mention of them in student handbooks (considerred advertising) that is
considerred support. Also "schools receiving public support" has also
been broadened to include any school where any student receives Federal
Government guaranteed student loans. Under this definition, Pat
Robertson's Liberty University is a "school receiving public support"
>
> Somewhat prior to this, several chapters had taken it upon themselves to
> begin admitting women - Kappa chapter in 1972 by initiating C. S(usan)
> Robinson, and Alpha Chi by admitting women as "auxiliary members" (please
> correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the general idea. I believe there
> were other chapters as well)
Stanford University's chapter (Zeta) was sending in brotherhood applications
under initials or modified forms of first names from 1958 onward.
>
> Given the above circumstances, several groups started to form within the
> fraternity, each advocating different actions. The most vocal seemed to
> be one group attempting to raise money for a legal battle to fight title
> IX, a group campaigning to repeal/amend title IX, and a group wanting to
> make the fraternity co-ed.
>
In here should be the official granting of affliliate membersip that came
out of the 1974 convention.
> The next event was the 1976 convention, where te fraternity finally went
> co-ed on the national level, but apparently not by a landslide vote. The
> outcome was something to the effect of: All chapters at schools that must
> go co-ed to survive shall become co-ed. All chapters at schools that do
> not have to become co-ed to survive _may_ become co-ed if they choose to,
> but will not be forced to do so, either then or at any other time.
>
> Moving forward about 20 years, we currently have a bit less than 30
> all-male chapters left, and the number is gradually shrinking each year.
Actually a bit more than 30 rather than less.
> Over time the individual chapters have either decided to become co-ed, the
> schools they were at began to admit women, or for one reason or another
> lost their charter. If the trend continues, in 25-30 years there will
> probably only be a handful of all-male chapters left. For perspective,
> rumors are starting to fly that by then you might have already seen the
> first female Eagle Scout as well... (that was from "a highly placed
> source in the council") it might sound far-fetched to you now, but think
> about how a proposal to force all chapters to go co-ed would have sounded
> in 1970.
I'm convinced if BSA headquarters had remained in New York City rrather than
moved to Dallas that BSa would be co-ed by now. (not becuase of laws, but
rather becuase the scouters who ended up working in the Naitonal Office
would be much more likely to come from the local NYC councils rather than
Circle Ten Council.
YiLFS
Randy Finder
>
> Once again, I'm going from memory on this. Please correct me if I got my
> facts wrong.
>
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> Thomas W. Strong Jr. strong@dementia.org
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