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Re: Promises

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (The Italian Stallion)
Mon Nov 11 12:16:28 1996

Date:         Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:47:02 -0600
Reply-To: The Italian Stallion <librimd@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
From: The Italian Stallion <librimd@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
In-Reply-To:  <199611110733.BAA16333@ducserv.mail.auburn.edu>

>         I suppose then that along the same line as what you are stating
> above, you are opposed to what the Yankees (those residing north of the
> Mason-Dixon line) did during the civil war??  See, several of those
> Yankees went down south and helped fight to end slavery (a way of life for
> the southerners that they thought wasn't doing any harm to anyone else).
> I guess what they did was just to make themselves look morally superior,
> hmmmm.
  Okay, I'm not going to get into this with you. Obviously, you realized
  that Auburn is in the south, and hoped to make me angry by citing a "we
  were right, you were wrong" thing about the civil war. Well, a few
  surprises for you:
  (1) AllMale chapters aren't infringing on anyone's freedom. If we were,
      don't you think that the universities we were at would make us go
      coed? This is a poor analogy (no flame intended).

  (2) I was raised in Florida by a father from New Jersey and a mother
      from Chicago. I'm a YANKEE!

  (3) If you do sufficient reasearch, you will discover that the civil
      war was about much more than slavery. By the time that war broke out,
      legislation had already begun in the C.S.A. to end slavery. A famous
      southern general even attempted to delay the war in order to allow
      the slaves to be freed in the south before the war started.
      Unfortunatly, it was impossible to do. The U.S.A. had already
      begun to move in, and there were still Plantation owners who wanted to
      keep the slaves. The original decision to seperate from the Union
      was caused from an incident where a large majority of southern
      statesmen were locked out of congress and informed that they were not
      welcome. Now, on the other hand, the U.S.A. viewed the separation
      as illegal (even though they had previously sanctioned it). Their
      WERE slaves that needed to be freed, and the union needed to be
      preserved. All in all, I am for the U.S.A., not the C.S.A., but
      it is an interesting piece of history.

>         I just don't understand why all-male chapters feel as though they
> should remain a special clause in the world of APO.  What is it,
> traditions?  What rush events?
  Why don't you visit an AllMale chapter? You have to witness to
  understand the difference. No female brother that I know who has gotten
  to know an AllMale chapter well thinks that they should go coed.

> What exactly are these chapters doing and is it something that ought to
> be looked into??!!
  If you're insinuating that we haze, you are wrong, and you are also
  taking a cheap punch in order to push your point. We are gentlemen
  brothers who work to instill the virtues of Alpha Phi Omega into our
  pledges. Beating the $#!t out of them teaches them NOTHING.

  Your turn.....

-Delta 1159
 Mark Librizzi

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