[1681] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: [Mit-talk] Cashier's Office mural going away
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Courtney Shiley)
Tue Dec 13 19:35:37 2005
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:35:02 -0500
From: Courtney Shiley <cshiley@mit.edu>
To: John Hawkinson <jhawk@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20051214001847.GA28569@bart-savagewood.mit.edu>
cc: mit-talk@mit.edu
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Is there any consideration of relocating it? Sawzalling it out of the wall
and moving it is clearly difficult and expensive... But it could be
carefully copied elsewhere. That would seem better than etching it on glass=
.
That does not strictly have to be an official action, either, someone with
artistic skill can go capture enough detail *now* while it's still around
that it can be accurately replicated at some later date.
-C
On 12/13/05, John Hawkinson <jhawk@mit.edu> wrote:
>
> [ My goodness. I spent a few hours this afternoon looking into the
> issue of the Dollar Bill mural on the Cashier's Office, as a Tech
> reporter, and I just came out of an hour meeting with Phil Walsh of
> CAC to find 30 messages in my mailbox on the same topic. Whoa. ]
>
> So this message is an attempt to reply to threads on ec-discuss,
> senior-house, random-hall-talk, and sponge-talk. I will forward
> this message to those lists, but I think mit-talk is a list that
> it makes more sense to have discussion on.
>
> Milo Martinez <milo@MIT.EDU> wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005
> at 17:27:09 -0500 in <p0610050dbfc4fa406897@[18.238.5.211]>:
>
> > Have you seen that guy camped out near lobby 10 taking pics of the
> > dollar bill lately? Well, I over heard him talking, and he's doing it
> > because the mural is being taken down. This is more than likely part
> > of that student lounge space they want to create there.
>
> Yes, that is correct.
>
> According to Ruth Davis, who handles communications for Facilities,
> the Cashier's Office dollar bill mural was planned to be removed near
> the end of this week, but it may very well get pushed to next week
> because of scheduling issues.
>
> Facilities' project manager for the work is Gordon King, to whom
> I have not yet spoken.
>
> I met with Phil Walsh this afternoon from 5:30pm to 6:30pm,
> talking about this and other space changes on campus.
>
> As reported in The Tech, most recently,
> "http://www-tech.mit.edu/V125/N34/cashiers.html", the process to
> design how to use that space has been in the works for some time, as
> early as last spring. As of September, it was still up in the air
> whether the mural would be preserved.
>
> The Class of 2005 has designated the renovation of that space as
> student space as their class gift, in the form of a community lounge.
>
> A committee was appointed by Chancellor Phil Clay to look into
> the execution of the process. The committee consists of:
>
> co-chairs:
> Phil Walsh Head of Campus Activites Complex
> Deborah Poodry Director of Campus Planning and Design
>
> Tracy Purinton Assistant Dean for Student Activities
>
> Andrew Lukman UA Senate Speaker
> Ali Wyne UA Senate Vice Chair
>
> John Velasco representative from the Class of 2005
>
> as well as someone else whose name I don't have.
>
> The committee mostly lay dormant since the spring, after deciding on
> the high-level view of the space, but resumed work this term. The
> Insitute's Committee for the Review of Space Planning (CRSP) approved
> the general concept of a lounge last spring.
>
> About two weeks ago, the committee made a final recommendation of a
> plan which includes removing the mural and replacing it with glass
> frontage on the infinite corridor, someone similar in concept to the
> glass in the DMSE space at the east end of the corridor, or the
> student services center/quickstation area at the building 11
> intersection.
>
> That recommendation is what we're seeing in action now.
>
> Phil Walsh spent quite a while trying to explain to me the rationale
> behind the committee's decision. Essentially the committee felt that
> glass open space to the Infinite was an important part of the lounge
> concept, and that it is rather difficult to preserve the mural
> while maintaining that open space.
>
> The intended plan of the glass wall is that it will stretch
> horizontally just a bit past the two current doorways. This constraint
> is because there are two vertical chases (ducts) that can't be moved
> that are inside the current walls. Also, the doors will be replaced
> with open doorways, to facilitate the community nature of the space.
>
> Walsh indicated that the committee was well aware of the significance
> of the dollar bill mural, and would try to include a nod to it in
> their design. In particular, one thought was that one pane of glass in
> the glass wall would be etched with a reduction of how the dollar bill
> used to look, with some notes about the history of the bill, as well
> as the fact that the space renovation was a result of the Class of
> 2005's gift.
>
>
> That's basically my summary. I've tried to answer some of the questions
> people asked below.
>
> > Personally I would hate to see that mural go. It's part of MIT and
> > Hacking History. Anyone know how long it's been there? The idea is to
>
> Walsh suggested to me that it had been there since the mid-1970s,
> but he was shaky on its exact history (and in fact was looking for
> more information).
>
> Milo Martinez <milo@MIT.EDU> wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 at 17:44:15
> -0500 in <p0610050ebfc4fec7780d@[18.238.5.211]>:
>
> > No survey was ever done, but there was students on some committee.
>
> That's not accurate. Kelsey Byers pointed out to me in e-mail that,
> "People walking by the Bush Room were prodded indoors to talk with
> admins and fill out a survey asking what the best purpose of the new
> space was. The overwhelming majority of people I talked with there
> (students and admins alike) were keen on a lounge, with about 50%
> favoring removing the mural altogether or only keeping part of it and
> 50% favoring keeping it for old times' sake."
>
>
> Edward L Platt <elplatt@MIT.EDU> wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 at 18:18:08
> -0500 in
> <Pine.GSO.4.62L.0512131816270.28080@quickstation-bexley.mit.edu>:
>
> > This is one of those "things that was decided a year ago without any
> > student input and is probably to late to change." Although with that
> > said, I'd sign a petition to keep it up.
>
> The decision to remove the mural was a recent one.
> The decision to make that space a lounge was made last spring.
>
> I think you can argue that the decision to remove the mural was a
> result of the decision to make the lounge one with open light, but
> I don't think that decision was finalized until two weeks ago.
>
> Solomon Bisker <sbisker@MIT.EDU> wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 at 19:06:53
> -0500 (EST) in <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0512131902580.10470@m2-225-11.mit.edu>:
>
> | Does anyone know if it moved simply to make room for this lounge
> | space, or did it move because the Cashier's office genuinely wanted
> | to move?
>
> The decision to move the Cashier's office was made as part of a
> Controllers Accounting Office restructuring, and was not made on the
> basis of what would fill that space (i.e. before a Class of 2005 gift
> was decided upon). On the other hand, I'm sure the idea that the space
> would be used "more effectively" was part of the decision to move
> it. I think it related to many of the services there being less and
> less used (e.g. MIT is moving more and more paychecks to direct
> deposit, etc.).
>
>
> --jhawk@mit.edu
> John Hawkinson
> +1 617 797 0250
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Is there any consideration of relocating it? Sawzalling it out of the
wall and moving it is clearly difficult and expensive... But it could
be carefully copied elsewhere. That would seem better than etching it
on glass.<br>
<br>
That does not strictly have to be an official action, either, someone
with artistic skill can go capture enough detail *now* while it's still
around that it can be accurately replicated at some later date.<br>
<br>
-C<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 12/13/05, <b class=3D"gmail_s=
endername">John Hawkinson</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:jhawk@mit.edu">jhawk@mi=
t.edu</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
[ My goodness. I spent a few hours this afternoon looking into the<br>issue=
of the Dollar Bill mural on the Cashier's Office, as a Tech<br>reporter, a=
nd I just came out of an hour meeting with Phil Walsh of<br>CAC to find 30 =
messages in my mailbox on the same topic. Whoa. ]
<br><br>So this message is an attempt to reply to threads on ec-discuss,<br=
>senior-house, random-hall-talk, and sponge-talk. I will forward<br>this me=
ssage to those lists, but I think mit-talk is a list that<br>it makes more =
sense to have discussion on.
<br><br>Milo Martinez <<a href=3D"mailto:milo@MIT.EDU">milo@MIT.EDU</a>&=
gt; wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005<br>at 17:27:09 -0500 in <p0610050dbfc4fa40=
6897@[<a href=3D"http://18.238.5.211">18.238.5.211</a>]>:<br><br>> Ha=
ve you seen that guy camped out near lobby 10 taking pics of the
<br>> dollar bill lately? Well, I over heard him talking, and he's doing=
it<br>> because the mural is being taken down. This is more than likely=
part<br>> of that student lounge space they want to create there.<br>
<br>Yes, that is correct.<br><br>According to Ruth Davis, who handles commu=
nications for Facilities,<br>the Cashier's Office dollar bill mural was pla=
nned to be removed near<br>the end of this week, but it may very well get p=
ushed to next week
<br>because of scheduling issues.<br><br>Facilities' project manager for th=
e work is Gordon King, to whom<br>I have not yet spoken.<br><br>I met with =
Phil Walsh this afternoon from 5:30pm to 6:30pm,<br>talking about this and =
other space changes on campus.
<br><br>As reported in The Tech, most recently,<br>"<a href=3D"http://=
www-tech.mit.edu/V125/N34/cashiers.html">http://www-tech.mit.edu/V125/N34/c=
ashiers.html</a>", the process to<br>design how to use that space has =
been in the works for some time, as
<br>early as last spring. As of September, it was still up in the air<br>wh=
ether the mural would be preserved.<br><br>The Class of 2005 has designated=
the renovation of that space as<br>student space as their class gift, in t=
he form of a community lounge.
<br><br>A committee was appointed by Chancellor Phil Clay to look into<br>t=
he execution of the process. The committee consists of:<br><br>co-chairs:<b=
r> Phil
Walsh &nbs=
p; Head
of Campus Activites Complex<br> &n=
bsp;Deborah
Poodry Director
of Campus Planning and Design<br><br> &n=
bsp; Tracy
Purinton Assista=
nt
Dean for Student Activities<br><br> &nbs=
p; Andrew
Lukman UA
Senate Speaker<br> Ali
Wyne  =
; UA
Senate Vice Chair<br><br> Jo=
hn
Velasco &n=
bsp;representative
from the Class of 2005<br><br>as well as someone else whose name I don't ha=
ve.<br><br>The committee mostly lay dormant since the spring, after decidin=
g on<br>the high-level view of the space, but resumed work this term. The
<br>Insitute's Committee for the Review of Space Planning (CRSP) approved<b=
r>the general concept of a lounge last spring.<br><br>About two weeks ago, =
the committee made a final recommendation of a<br>plan which includes remov=
ing the mural and replacing it with glass
<br>frontage on the infinite corridor, someone similar in concept to the<br=
>glass in the DMSE space at the east end of the corridor, or the<br>student=
services center/quickstation area at the building 11<br>intersection.<br>
<br>That recommendation is what we're seeing in action now.<br><br>Phil Wal=
sh spent quite a while trying to explain to me the rationale<br>behind the =
committee's decision. Essentially the committee felt that<br>glass open spa=
ce to the Infinite was an important part of the lounge
<br>concept, and that it is rather difficult to preserve the mural<br>while=
maintaining that open space.<br><br>The intended plan of the glass wall is=
that it will stretch<br>horizontally just a bit past the two current doorw=
ays. This constraint
<br>is because there are two vertical chases (ducts) that can't be moved<br=
>that are inside the current walls. Also, the doors will be replaced<br>wit=
h open doorways, to facilitate the community nature of the space.<br><br>
Walsh indicated that the committee was well aware of the significance<br>of=
the dollar bill mural, and would try to include a nod to it in<br>their de=
sign. In particular, one thought was that one pane of glass in<br>the glass=
wall would be etched with a reduction of how the dollar bill
<br>used to look, with some notes about the history of the bill, as well<br=
>as the fact that the space renovation was a result of the Class of<br>2005=
's gift.<br><br><br>That's basically my summary. I've tried to answer some =
of the questions
<br>people asked below.<br><br>> Personally I would hate to see that mur=
al go. It's part of MIT and<br>> Hacking History. Anyone know how long i=
t's been there? The idea is to<br><br>Walsh suggested to me that it had bee=
n there since the mid-1970s,
<br>but he was shaky on its exact history (and in fact was looking for<br>m=
ore information).<br><br>Milo Martinez <<a href=3D"mailto:milo@MIT.EDU">=
milo@MIT.EDU</a>> wrote on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 at 17:44:15<br>-0500 in <=
p0610050ebfc4fec7780d@[
<a href=3D"http://18.238.5.211">18.238.5.211</a>]>:<br><br>> No surve=
y was ever done, but there was students on some committee.<br><br>That's no=
t accurate. Kelsey Byers pointed out to me in e-mail that,<br>"People =
walking by the Bush Room were prodded indoors to talk with
<br>admins and fill out a survey asking what the best purpose of the new<br=
>space was. The overwhelming majority of people I talked with th=
ere<br>(students and admins alike) were keen on a lounge, with about 50%<br=
>favoring removing the mural altogether or only keeping part of it and
<br>50% favoring keeping it for old times' sake."<br><br><br>Edward L =
Platt <<a href=3D"mailto:elplatt@MIT.EDU">elplatt@MIT.EDU</a>> wrote =
on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 at 18:18:08<br>-0500 in<br><<a href=3D"mailto:Pine.G=
SO.4.62L.0512131816270.28080@quickstation-bexley.mit.edu">
Pine.GSO.4.62L.0512131816270.28080@quickstation-bexley.mit.edu</a>>:<br>=
<br>> This is one of those "things that was decided a year ago with=
out any<br>> student input and is probably to late to change." =
; Although with that
<br>> said, I'd sign a petition to keep it up.<br><br>The decision to re=
move the mural was a recent one.<br>The decision to make that space a loung=
e was made last spring.<br><br>I think you can argue that the decision to r=
emove the mural was a
<br>result of the decision to make the lounge one with open light, but<br>I=
don't think that decision was finalized until two weeks ago.<br><br>Solomo=
n Bisker <<a href=3D"mailto:sbisker@MIT.EDU">sbisker@MIT.EDU</a>> wro=
te on Tue, 13 Dec 2005 at 19:06:53
<br>-0500 (EST) in <<a href=3D"mailto:Pine.LNX.4.62L.0512131902580.10470=
@m2-225-11.mit.edu">Pine.LNX.4.62L.0512131902580.10470@m2-225-11.mit.edu</a=
>>:<br><br>| Does anyone know if it moved simply to make room for this l=
ounge
<br>| space, or did it move because the Cashier's office genuinely wanted<b=
r>| to move?<br><br>The decision to move the Cashier's office was made as p=
art of a<br>Controllers Accounting Office restructuring, and was not made o=
n the
<br>basis of what would fill that space (i.e. before a Class of 2005 gift<b=
r>was decided upon). On the other hand, I'm sure the idea that the space<br=
>would be used "more effectively" was part of the decision to mov=
e
<br>it. I think it related to many of the services there being less and<br>=
less used (e.g. MIT is moving more and more paychecks to direct<br>deposit,=
etc.).<br><br><br>--<a href=3D"mailto:jhawk@mit.edu">jhawk@mit.edu</a><br>
John Hawkinson<br> +1 617 797 0250<br>______________=
_________________________________<br>MIT-talk mailing list<br><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:MIT-talk@mit.edu">MIT-talk@mit.edu</a><br><a href=3D"http://mailman.mi=
t.edu/mailman/listinfo/mit-talk">
http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/mit-talk</a><br></blockquote></div>=
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