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Re: [Cryptography] Market demands for security (was Re: Opening

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Kelsey)
Sun Sep 8 16:32:54 2013

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From: John Kelsey <crypto.jmk@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 16:08:58 -0400
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	Ray Dillinger <bear@sonic.net>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>,
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As an aside:

a.  Things that just barely work, like standards groups, must in general be easier to sabotage in subtle ways than things that click along with great efficiency.  But they are also things that often fail with no help at all from anyone, so it's hard to tell.

b.  There really are tradeoffs between security and almost everything else.  If you start suspecting conspiracy every time someone is reluctant to make that tradeoff in the direction you prefer, you are going to spend your career suspecting everyone everywhere of being ant-security.  This is likely to be about as productive as going around suspecting everyone of being a secret communist or racist or something.  

--John
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