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[Cryptography] funding Tor development
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (L Jean Camp)
Fri Oct 18 12:34:56 2013
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From: L Jean Camp <ljcamp@indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:28:53 -0400
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This sounds like a consortium/membership model. I would probably do this
by getting one year of funding for a person to do the fund-raising, someone
well known in at least two communities. Then have the person go soft money
by year three. Have memberships of organizations and foundations that
support the goal at a low level, like $5/yr, and individual memberships. Of
course, having someone manage this will mean you are targeted more like 30k
(15k for person) than ten. That is about sixty members, which seems
feasible if you have someone always pushing and managing. I do not think
such a think will emerge spontaneously.
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:55:23 -0400
From: Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com>
To: Dave Howe <davehowe.pentesting@gmail.com>
Cc: cryptography@metzdowd.com
Subject: Re: [Cryptography] funding Tor development
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On Oct 17, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dave Howe <davehowe.pentesting@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Guys, in order to minimize Tor Project's dependance on
>> federal funding and/or increase what they can do it
>> would be great to have some additional funding ~10 kUSD/month.
> I would say what is needed is not one source at $10K/month but 10K
> sources at $1/month.
>
> A single source of funding is *always* a single source of control.
It's also easier to find sources of smaller amounts.
I couldn't come close to funding $10K/month, but might be talked into
$10/month.
-- Jerry
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yr, and individual memberships. Of course, having someone manage this will =
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d managing. =A0I do not think such a think will emerge spontaneously.=A0</d=
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>On Oct 17, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dave Howe <</span><a href=3D"mailto:daveho=
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>>> Guys, in order to minimize Tor Project's dependance on</span>=
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>>> federal funding and/or increase what they can do it</span><br sty=
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>>> would be great to have some additional funding ~10 kUSD/month.</s=
pan><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211p=
x">
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>> I would say what is needed is not one source at $10K/month but 10K</s=
pan><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211p=
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>> sources at $1/month.</span><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;=
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sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
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>> A single source of funding is *always* a single source of control.</s=
pan><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211p=
x">
<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"=
>It's also easier to find sources of smaller amounts.</span><br style=
=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br style=
=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"=
>I couldn't come close to funding $10K/month, but might be talked into =
$10/month.</span><br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333=
333969116211px">
<br style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><=
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<div><br></div>-- <br>Prof. L. Jean Camp<br><a href=3D"http://www.ljean.com=
" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ljean.com</a><br>Net Trust=A0<br><a href=3D"=
http://code.google.com/p/nettrust/" target=3D"_blank">http://code.google.co=
m/p/nettrust/</a><br>
Economics of Security=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.infosecon.net/" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.infosecon.net/</a><br>ETHOS<br><a href=3D"http://ethos.=
indiana.edu" target=3D"_blank">http://ethos.indiana.edu</a><br>Congressiona=
l Fellow<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/govfel/congfel.asp" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/govfel/congfel.asp</a>
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