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Re: [Cryptography] funding Tor development
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Max Kington)
Fri Oct 18 19:37:38 2013
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:08:15 +0100
From: Max Kington <mkington@webhanger.com>
To: ianG <iang@iang.org>
Cc: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org>, cryptography@metzdowd.com
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It would be a guess but who might want tor to continue with additional
zeal?
Silk road 2, next gen, velvet motorway etc.
So with high profile criminal proceedings the likes of which the FBI and
NCA are executing Bitcoin as fascinating as I find it technically and
socially it's getting bad press as an enabler.
Three things affect it presently.
1) legitimate users (read non criminal) are likely going to want to turn
bitcoin into real coins in jurisdictions where it might get banned in the
coming months or years. So your donations die.
2) bitcoin flows can be analysed if you don't engage in complex camouflage
techniques. The sorts of behaviour that is a hallmark of money laundering.
So you're either highly anonymous because you're able to engage in criminal
footprint like behaviour or you're a criminal. See what I did there?
3) you use bitcoin you are a criminal and you have something to hide.
Consumers of bitcoin are criminals. It's merely an extension of the 'if you
have nothing to hide' argument.
That's three for instances that occurred to me almost immediately. I'm sure
the sorts of lawyers that the tor.* folks employ are a shed load smarter
than I.
M
On 18 Oct 2013 17:36, "ianG" <iang@iang.org> wrote:
> On 17/10/13 23:51 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:10:58AM -0700, Michael Kirk wrote:
>>
>> For some reason the [tor donation page] doesn't want your bitcoins.
>>>
>>
>> Their lawyears advised them not to.
>>
>
>
> Did the lawyers present a rationale for that advice? I'm interested
> because some other projects were asking the same question recently.
>
> iang
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<p dir=3D"ltr">It would be a guess but who might want tor to continue with =
additional zeal? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Silk road 2, next gen, velvet motorway etc. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">So with high profile criminal proceedings the likes of which=
the FBI and NCA are executing Bitcoin as fascinating as I find it technica=
lly and socially it's getting bad press as an enabler. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Three things affect it presently. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">1) legitimate users (read non criminal) are likely going to =
want to turn bitcoin into real coins in jurisdictions where it might get ba=
nned in the coming months or years. So your donations die. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">2) bitcoin flows can be analysed if you don't engage in =
complex camouflage techniques. The sorts of behaviour that is a hallmark of=
money laundering. So you're either highly anonymous because you're=
able to engage in criminal footprint like behaviour or you're a crimin=
al. See what I did there? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">3) you use bitcoin you are a criminal and you have something=
to hide. Consumers of bitcoin are criminals. It's merely an extension =
of the 'if you have nothing to hide' argument. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">That's three for instances that occurred to me almost im=
mediately. I'm sure the sorts of lawyers that the tor.* folks employ ar=
e a shed load smarter than I. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">M</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 18 Oct 2013 17:36, "ianG" <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:iang@iang.org">iang@iang.org</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribu=
tion"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 17/10/13 23:51 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:10:58AM -0700, Michael Kirk wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
For some reason the [tor donation page] doesn't want your bitcoins.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Their lawyears advised them not to.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Did the lawyers present a rationale for that advice? =A0I'm interested =
because some other projects were asking the same question recently.<br>
<br>
iang<br>
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