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[Cryptography] programable computers inside our computers (was:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ruben Pollan)
Tue Oct 22 11:29:05 2013
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From: Ruben Pollan <meskio@sindominio.net>
To: cryptography@metzdowd.com, Viktor Dukhovni <cryptography@dukhovni.org>
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:24:50 +0200
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Quoting Viktor Dukhovni (2013-10-22 06:50:38)
> I am much more concerned about the proliferation of miniature programmabl=
e =
> computers inside our computers (CPUs and programmable firmware in disk =
> controllers, battery controllers, BMC controllers, with opaque binary fir=
mware =
> update blobs, and complex supply chains) that about secp256r1 vs secp521r=
1.
> =
> We thought embedded devices were for physical infrastructure
> engineers to worry about, but now they are proliferating inside
> our general purpose computers. The next Stuxnet will run on one
> of the invisible computers inside your computer.
At the OHM there was a good talk about this topic, showing the what kind of =
things you can do with the embedded CPUs of the hard disks:
http://wipkip.nikhef.nl/events/OHM/video/d2-t1-13-20130801-2300-hard_disks_=
more_than_just_block_devices-sprite_tm.m4v
I think that crypto still matters, but we are starting to have a new battle =
field with all the embedded devices that are everywhere and we can not cont=
rol =
or check if they do what they are suppose to do.
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