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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?Lodewijk_andr=C3=A9_de_l)
Sun Nov 24 15:14:02 2013

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:38:16 +0100
To: Stephan Neuhaus <stephan.neuhaus@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
Cc: Cryptography <cryptography@metzdowd.com>,
	Ralf Senderek <crypto@senderek.ie>
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I think assumption 1 is not valid. Granny can't actually make well reasoned
choices about those other subjects (although that's unrelated). And the
concept should be easier to explain than an insurance policy. More vitally
I don't really know why she'd have to know what it is. She just has to know
how to use it.

Any possible whole system breaks on assumption #3. #2 can be made to be
transparent by other geeks. #1 is avoidable.

You can see blockchain.info's wallet for a demonstration of how system
security is the only true fatal flaw to an otherwise decent (but not by any
means perfect) crypto implementation.


2013/11/23 Stephan Neuhaus <stephan.neuhaus@tik.ee.ethz.ch>

> On 2013-11-23, 21:45, Ralf Senderek wrote:
> > I doubt all three assumptions.
>
> Fair enough. I have just put an entry in my calendar for November 30,
> 2023, to check if email encryption is now widespread.  I'll let you know.
>
> Fun,
>
> Stephan
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think assumption 1 is not valid. Granny can&#39;t actual=
ly make well reasoned choices about those other subjects (although that&#39=
;s unrelated). And the concept should be easier to explain than an insuranc=
e policy. More vitally I don&#39;t really know why she&#39;d have to know w=
hat it is. She just has to know how to use it.<div>

<br></div><div>Any possible whole system breaks on assumption #3. #2 can be=
 made to be transparent by other geeks. #1 is avoidable.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>You can see <a href=3D"http://blockchain.info">blockchain.info</a>&#=
39;s wallet for a demonstration of how system security is the only true fat=
al flaw to an otherwise decent (but not by any means perfect) crypto implem=
entation.</div>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2013/11=
/23 Stephan Neuhaus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephan.neuhaus=
@tik.ee.ethz.ch" target=3D"_blank">stephan.neuhaus@tik.ee.ethz.ch</a>&gt;</=
span><br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 2013-11-23, 21:45, Ralf=
 Senderek wrote:<br>
&gt; I doubt all three assumptions.<br>
<br>
</div>Fair enough. I have just put an entry in my calendar for November 30,=
<br>
2023, to check if email encryption is now widespread. =C2=A0I&#39;ll let yo=
u know.<br>
<br>
Fun,<br>
<br>
Stephan<br>
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