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Re: [Cryptography] Explaining PK to grandma
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Phillip Hallam-Baker)
Sat Nov 30 12:34:51 2013
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:19:01 -0500
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
To: "Wendy M. Grossman" <wendyg@pelicancrossing.net>
Cc: Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com>, Cryptography <cryptography@metzdowd.com>,
Ralf Senderek <crypto@senderek.ie>
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Wendy M. Grossman <
wendyg@pelicancrossing.net> wrote:
> On 11/27/2013 15:03, Ralf Senderek wrote:
> >
> Well, it seems to me Grandpa has bigger problems (because Granny uses
> real email to communicate with the family while organizing summer
> outings to ballet for 20):
>
> 1) For email, Grandpa uses Webmail. The service he uses doesn't offer an
> easy way to plug in crypto.
>
That is a bit harder but not insurmountable provided that they are
sufficiently S/MIME aware to present the encrypted message as an attachment
so that the browser can pop up a reader for an encrypted message.
It will take work on the part of Webmail providers to make this possible.
But it is rather more possible than most people imagine.
I 'invented' WebMail back in 1993, to the extent that it needed to be
invented. It was one of my test applications for HTTP forms and it was how
I discovered that POST was broken. So I would really like to support
WebMail to the greatest extent we can.
End-to-end secure WebMail requires extensions to WebCrypto plus a suitable
editor widget. But it is quite possible.
> 2) But for most of his personal messaging Grandpa uses Facebook because
> he finds that his grandkids regard email as something you only use if
> forced.
>
You are showing your age by mentioning Facebook. The young people are
already walking away from it as uncool. It is uncool because Grandpa uses
it.
Facebook is a band, not a label. The Rolling Stones were big once but they
were not the last band in history.
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On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Wendy M. Grossman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
href=3D"mailto:wendyg@pelicancrossing.net" target=3D"_blank">wendyg@pelica=
ncrossing.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">On 11/27/2013 15:03, Ralf Senderek wrote:<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5">><br>
</div></div>Well, it seems to me Grandpa has bigger problems (because Grann=
y uses<br>
real email to communicate with the family while organizing summer<br>
outings to ballet for 20):<br>
<br>
1) For email, Grandpa uses Webmail. The service he uses doesn't offer a=
n<br>
easy way to plug in crypto.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is a b=
it harder but not insurmountable provided that they are sufficiently S/MIME=
aware to present the encrypted message as an attachment so that the browse=
r can pop up a reader for an encrypted message.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It will take work on the part of Webmail providers to m=
ake this possible. But it is rather more possible than most people imagine.=
</div><div><br></div><div>I 'invented' WebMail back in 1993, to the=
extent that it needed to be invented. It was one of my test applications f=
or HTTP forms and it was how I discovered that POST was broken. So I would =
really like to support WebMail to the greatest extent we can.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>End-to-end secure WebMail requires exten=
sions to WebCrypto plus a suitable editor widget. But it is quite possible.=
</div><div><br></div><div>=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb=
(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
2) But for most of his personal messaging Grandpa uses Facebook because<br>
he finds that his grandkids regard email as something you only use if<br>
forced.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are showing your age by men=
tioning Facebook. The young people are already walking away from it as unco=
ol. It is uncool because Grandpa uses it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>
Facebook is a band, not a label. The Rolling Stones were big once but they =
were not the last band in history.=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></=
div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Website: <a href=3D"http://hall=
ambaker.com/">http://hallambaker.com/</a><br>
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