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Re: [Cryptography] Email is securable within a coterie [was: Email
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (StealthMonger)
Wed Dec 4 00:54:25 2013
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From: StealthMonger <StealthMonger@nym.mixmin.net>
To: Cryptography <cryptography@metzdowd.com>
In-Reply-To: <529476BD.3050806@iang.org> (iang@iang.org's message of "Tue, 26
Nov 2013 13:23:57 +0300")
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 19:59:24 +0000 (GMT)
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ianG <iang@iang.org> writes:
> On 25/11/13 13:07 PM, StealthMonger wrote:
>> ianG <iang@iang.org> writes:
>>> But, there are other reasons...
>>> For example, consider traffic analysis or metadata or mass surveillance=
...
>>> Then, look at the design of email...
>>> Then, webmail...
>>> Then, the assumptions of email...
>>> Hence, I've concluded that email is unsecurable.
>> None of these objections apply to mail within a coterie (as most email
>> is) where the parties agree out of band to suppress non-essential
>> headers and to properly use anonymizing remailers and message pools.
> I entirely agree that if you put all that in place, it will work. Mail=20
> is theoretically securable.
> What I would question is whether we can agree on how to get to that=20
> place (IETF committees, PHB v. Dark Alliance, S/MIME v. PGP, etc etc),
But we're there now! Have been for over 15 years! The well-known
mixmaster remailer network and the Usenet alt.anonymous.messages message
pool. No need to wait for IETF or anything.
=2D-=20
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