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Re: [Cryptography] TAO, NSA crypto backdoor program
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sam Simpson)
Fri Jan 3 11:00:23 2014
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:48:04 +0000
From: Sam Simpson <sammysimpson@gmail.com>
To: Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com>
Cc: Raphael Jacquot <sxpert@sxpert.org>,
Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>,
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On 2 January 2014 22:47, Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> BTW, this isn't an "I was just following orders" defense. We can argue
> about whether creating these devices is illegal - I'd say certainly not -
> or immoral - to me, a gray area; espionage has been both condemned and
> attacked forever, often by the same people at almost the same time.
> Producing tools of espionage is at least as gray. The stuff in this
> catalogue at least is aimed at particular individuals, not bulk
> surveillance of entire populations. (I would have much more serious qualms
> about those who built the mass surveillance frameworks.)
> -- Jerry
Regarding the 'condemned by the same people at almost the same time' I
chuckled when someone pointed out the headline "Obama to press China's Xi
to act against cyber spying" -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/04/us-usa-china-idUSBRE9531E220130604...The
very day before the first Snowden news story hit.
I should imagine that would be a much more challenging conversation today.
Best regards
Sam
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href=3D"mailto:leichter@lrw.com" target=3D"_blank">leichter@lrw.com</a>>=
;</span> wrote:</div>
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order-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
BTW, this isn't an "I was just following orders" defense. =A0=
We can argue about whether creating these devices is illegal - I'd say =
certainly not - or immoral - to me, a gray area; espionage has been both co=
ndemned and attacked forever, often by the same people at almost the same t=
ime. =A0Producing tools of espionage is at least as gray. =A0The stuff in t=
his catalogue at least is aimed at particular individuals, not bulk surveil=
lance of entire populations. =A0(I would have much more serious qualms abou=
t those who built the mass surveillance frameworks.)<br>
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=A0 -- Jerry</font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Regarding the &=
#39;condemned by the same people at almost the same time' I chuckled wh=
en someone pointed out the headline "Obama to press China's Xi to =
act against cyber spying" - =A0<a href=3D"http://www.reuters.com/artic=
le/2013/06/04/us-usa-china-idUSBRE9531E220130604">http://www.reuters.com/ar=
ticle/2013/06/04/us-usa-china-idUSBRE9531E220130604</a> ...The very day bef=
ore the first Snowden news story hit.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I should imagine that would be a much more challenging =
conversation today.</div><div><br></div><div><br>Best regards<div><br>Sam</=
div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>E:=A0<a href=3D"mailto:sam@samsimpson.=
com" target=3D"_blank">sam@samsimpson.com</a></div>
<div>LinkedIn:=A0<a href=3D"http://uk.linkedin.com/in/samsimpson1/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://uk.linkedin.com/in/samsimpson1/=A0</a></div></div><div>=
=A0</div></div></div></div>
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