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Re: [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alec Muffett)
Tue Jan 14 10:43:47 2014
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From: Alec Muffett <alec.muffett@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:15:01 +0000
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
Cc: "cryptography@metzdowd.com" <cryptography@metzdowd.com>
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On 13 January 2014 15:23, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> wrote:
The boycott proposal is purely punitive. They have no demand. Which is a
> very weak position. We did not boycott Bigot-fil-a to punish them. We were
> demanding that they stopped being bigoted. What are the boycotters
> demanding of RSA?
>
"You're absolutely right, Phil; yes one way or another RSA's products wound
up running this bowdlerised and backdoored RNG and stories abound that they
got paid a pittance to sell-out the security of all their users of their
benchmark product, but really the important thing here is that they provide
a consolidated, near-monolithic industry conference circuit with effective
vendor lock-in - you have to show there or not exist! How dreadful it would
be for us all to have to tromp around Infosec, Blackhat, USENIX all over
again and start sponsoring small events like 44con... it would be a return
to the 1980s / early 90s and you remember the hangovers - we as an industry
would just not be able to cope as an industry or as individuals. It would
be harmful to security overall.
My God, I might have to start using Twitter seriously..."
I think what they are demanding of RSA is that RSA hurt, or someone's head
rolls, or ideally that RSA dies, Phil.
Making an example of them for sleeping with the enemy. For selling out.
That sort of reason. It's an end in itself. "This is the head of a
traitor", sort of thing.
Or, as you put it, "punked".
Joshua Marpet joshua.marpet@guardedrisk.com wrote:
"the fact is is that a lot of companies have paid a lot of money to be at
> the conference, and sell their wares"
They chose... poorly.
-a
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On 13 January 2014 15:23, Phillip Hallam-Baker <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:hallam@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">hallam@gmail.com</a>></s=
pan> wrote:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The b=
oycott proposal is purely punitive. They have no demand. Which is a very we=
ak position. We did not boycott Bigot-fil-a to punish them. We were demandi=
ng that they stopped being bigoted. What are the boycotters demanding of RS=
A?</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>"You're abso=
lutely right, Phil; yes one way or another RSA's products wound up runn=
ing this bowdlerised and backdoored RNG and stories abound that they got pa=
id a pittance to sell-out the security of all their users of their benchmar=
k product, but really the important thing here is that they provide a conso=
lidated, near-monolithic industry conference circuit with effective vendor =
lock-in - you have to show there or not exist! How dreadful it would be for=
us all to have to tromp around Infosec, Blackhat, USENIX all over again an=
d start sponsoring small events like 44con... it would be a return to the 1=
980s / early 90s and you remember the hangovers - we as an industry would j=
ust not be able to cope as an industry or as individuals. It would be harmf=
ul to security overall.</div>
<div><br></div><div>My God, I might have to start using Twitter seriously..=
."<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think what they are d=
emanding of RSA is that RSA hurt, or someone's head rolls, or ideally t=
hat RSA dies, Phil.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Making an example of them for sleeping with the enemy. =
For selling out.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>That sort of reason. It's =
an end in itself. =A0"This is the head of a traitor", sort of thi=
ng.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Or, as you put it, "punked".</div></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><span name=3D"Joshua Marpet" class=3D"" style=
=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Joshua Marpet</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;white-space:nowrap">=
=A0</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:=
13px;white-space:nowrap"><a href=3D"mailto:joshua.marpet@guardedrisk.com">j=
oshua.marpet@guardedrisk.com</a> wrote:</span><br>
</div><div><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
"<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">the fact =
is is that a lot of companies have paid a lot of money to be at the confere=
nce, and sell their wares</span>"</blockquote><div><br></div><div>They=
chose... poorly.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 -a</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div>-- <br><a href=3D"http://dropsafe.crypticide.com/about=
alecm" target=3D"_blank">http://dropsafe.crypticide.com/aboutalecm</a><br>
</div></div>
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