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Re: [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Phillip Hallam-Baker)
Tue Jan 14 12:35:59 2014
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:35:31 -0500
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
> Shirley Jackson, The Lottery, sacrificing a victim purges guilt
> of the guilty.
>
> Does anyone really believe RSA is alone in this "betrayal?"
>
> And that making an example of RSA will stop the industry practice
> of forked-tonguedness about working both sides of the imaginary
> fence of dual-use, dual-hat, duplicity of comsec?
>
> "Industry standards" were invented and are sustained for this
> purpose. No matter NSA, RSA, IETF, NIST, this breast-beating
> list of the guilty cryptographers pretending they did not know
> what their best customers and employers are doing.
>
> Boing Boing is being played like the crypto promotional wargame
> is played.
I hadn't thought of it that way before.
but yes, I think that the way the NSA worked to disrupt certain IETF and
industry programs was to play that type of game.
"Lets put a TPM chip in the machines to keep private keys safe"
DRM! DRM! Antichrist! DRM! Don't you use treacherous computing. DEEEE
ARRRRRR EEEMMMMM!
"Lets turn on this S/MIME crypto in a billion email clients"
Don't you know that PGP is the only way to go!!!
"Lets add PGP features to S/MIME"
And have the smelly hippies come round?
I am sure that a lot of arguments were played on both sides with wormtongue
types telling both sides to stick to their guns. And too much of it has
worked.
That is the real crime here. Instead of protecting the country and its
allies against the threat of attack against an infrastructure that is
brittle, they were actively sabotaging efforts to make it robust.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM, John Young <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:jya@pipeline.com" target=3D"_blank">jya@pipeline.com</a>></span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Shirley Jackson, The Lottery, sacrificing =
=A0a victim purges guilt<br>
of the guilty.<br>
<br>
Does anyone really believe RSA is alone in this "betrayal?"<br>
<br>
And that making an example of RSA will stop the industry practice<br>
of forked-tonguedness about working both sides of the imaginary<br>
fence of dual-use, dual-hat, duplicity of comsec?<br>
<br>
"Industry standards" were invented and are sustained for this<br>
purpose. No matter NSA, RSA, IETF, NIST, this breast-beating<br>
list of the guilty cryptographers pretending they did not know<br>
what their best customers and employers are doing.<br>
<br>
Boing Boing is being played like the crypto promotional wargame<br>
is played.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I hadn't thought of it that =
way before.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>but yes, I think that the way the N=
SA worked to disrupt certain IETF and industry programs was to play that ty=
pe of game.</div>
<div><br></div><div>"Lets put a TPM chip in the machines to keep priva=
te keys safe"</div><div><br></div><div>DRM! DRM! Antichrist! DRM! Don&=
#39;t you use treacherous computing. DEEEE ARRRRRR EEEMMMMM!</div><div>
<br></div><div>"Lets turn on this S/MIME crypto in a billion email cli=
ents"</div><div><br></div><div>Don't you know that PGP is the only=
way to go!!!</div><div><br></div><div>"Lets add PGP features to S/MIM=
E"</div>
<div><br></div><div>And have the smelly hippies come round?=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>I am sure that a lot of arguments were played o=
n both sides with wormtongue types telling both sides to stick to their gun=
s. And too much of it has worked.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That is the real crime here. Instead of protecting the =
country and its allies against the threat of attack against an infrastructu=
re that is brittle, they were actively sabotaging efforts to make it robust=
.</div>
<div><br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Website: <a href=3D"http://halla=
mbaker.com/">http://hallambaker.com/</a><br>
</div></div>
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