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Re: [Cryptography] Does PGP use sign-then-encrypt or

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter Todd)
Sun Jan 26 16:41:49 2014

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:39:14 -0500
From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>
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	protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD"
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On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 08:54:54AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2014-01-26 03:05, Yuriy Kaminskiy wrote:
> >Does not work with *more than two participants* (Alice, Bob and Charlie =
know
> >shared secret and thus can generate and validate MAC; who was author of =
message,
> >Alice or Charlie?).
>=20
> If small number of participants sharing encrypted messages, they
> trust each other.  They are worried about messages being altered by
> outsiders.
>=20
> If one of their shared messages leaks, the fact that outsiders
> cannot tell which of them originated it is a feature, not a bug.

In some usage scenarios it is, in others it is not.

I personally have made use of sign-then-encrypt by signing a
confidential security audit, encrypting it to the client, and telling
them how they can use the --override-session-key feature of GPG to later
release my report after the client had fixed the issues.

It's often the case that while confidentiality - encryption - is
important should the messages be leaked for whatever reason
non-repudiation is also important. In short, sometimes messages being
altered by insiders matters too.

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'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

iQGrBAEBCACVBQJS5YCBXhSAAAAAABUAQGJsb2NraGFzaEBiaXRjb2luLm9yZzAw
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Ka4ckzaORQQp0ugjs1wQuk0goljJE8TiJP4QXfddC8VQrgqlufk7ufmR6VpUNTWH
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OOJEt4XHAlOrFk+LJjj0USroPK3HFwxMtZgZepO9zUp9MKwpdyUmQhekNZ7tMzTZ
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ajnlaRS+bcbyr3RhDXQYeoyqZd0D4XY5o2ScIa2XzIYNObEVGkaQ5FhDLF8Lgg==
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