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Re: [Cryptography] Now it's personal -- Belgian cryptographer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jerry Leichter)
Sun Feb 2 19:11:00 2014
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From: Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com>
In-Reply-To: <52EE2043.1030800@iang.org>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 18:56:46 -0500
To: ianG <iang@iang.org>
Cc: Cryptography Mailing List <cryptography@metzdowd.com>,
Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
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Commenting on only one thing in a long message:
On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:38 AM, ianG wrote:
> We can play the game of "you don't know that for a fact" forever, but =
at
> the end of the day, they will never enter court and let the court
> declare it a fact, so that easy excuse is their game, their rules, =
their
> victory.
And the alternative is ... what? The witch hunt? The mob? Kill all, =
God will know his own?
It's so very easy to slip over the line, for (apparently) all the very =
best reasons. That's what the intelligence community did. The answer =
is not to slip over the same line.
The rule of law, the presumption of innocence - they are fundamentally =
based on the notion that we, as civilized members of society, will play =
fair, even when others don't. We accept the costs because not to do so =
produce results that are even worse.
Granted, the rest of your message doesn't rise to the strident and =
dangerous call that this paragraph does. But the urge is there. It's =
there in all of us.
> Old military truism: the battle is won by the general that imposes =
his
> plan over the other.
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not =
become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also =
gazes into you." - Nietzsche
-- Jerry
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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">Commenting on only one thing in a long message:<div><br><div><div>On =
Feb 2, 2014, at 5:38 AM, ianG wrote:</div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>We can play the game of "you don't know that for a =
fact" forever, but at<br>the end of the day, they will never enter court =
and let the court<br>declare it a fact, so that easy excuse is their =
game, their rules, their<br>victory.<br></div></blockquote></div>And the =
alternative is ... what? The witch hunt? The mob? Kill =
all, God will know his own?</div><div><br></div><div>It's so very easy =
to slip over the line, for (apparently) all the very best reasons. =
That's what the intelligence community did. The answer is =
not to slip over the same line.</div><div><br></div><div>The rule of =
law, the presumption of innocence - they are fundamentally based on the =
notion that we, as civilized members of society, will play fair, even =
when others don't. We accept the costs because not to do so =
produce results that are even worse.</div><div><br></div><div>Granted, =
the rest of your message doesn't rise to the strident and dangerous call =
that this paragraph does. But the urge is there. It's there =
in all of us.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: monospace; "><div>Old military truism: the =
battle is won by the general that imposes his<br>plan over the =
other.<br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>"He who fights with monsters =
should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And =
when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." - =
Nietzsche</div><div><div> =
=
=
-- Jerry</div></div><div><br></div></body></html>=
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