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Re: Entropy Definition (was Re: passphrases with more than 160 bits

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Denker)
Fri Mar 24 18:39:45 2006

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:45:37 -0500
From: John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>
To: Ed Gerck <edgerck@nma.com>, cryptography@metzdowd.com
In-Reply-To: <44243656.3080105@nma.com>

Ed Gerck wrote:

> In Physics, Thermodynamics, entropy is a potential [1].

That's true in classical (19th-century) thermodynamics, but not
true in modern physics, including statistical mechanics.  The
existence of superconductors and superfluids removes all doubt
about the absolute zero of entropy.  For details, see
   http://www.av8n.com/physics/thermo-laws.htm#sec-spectator
   http://www.av8n.com/physics/thermo-laws.htm#sec-secret-s

> As is usual for a potential, only *differences* in entropy
> between different states can be measured. 

Not true.

....
> These are quite general properties. 

They are neither general nor relevant to crypto.

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