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Re: Newsnight Crypto Bazaar
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robert Hettinga)
Thu Mar 18 20:56:01 1999
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:53:01 -0500
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From: Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com>
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From: "David Hamilton" <david@davidham.demon.co.uk> (by way of Fearghas
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Subject: Re: Newsnight Crypto Bazaar
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"Helen Chesterman" <helen_chesterman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A short summary of the Newsnight item.
> A representative of some international police quango
NCIS I think.
> espoused
> key escrow and was quickly rubbished by the recent government
> u-turn - motivated by commercial concerns - not privacy or
> individual rights.
Didn't the NCIS rep, when asked about criminals not supplying copies of their
secret keys, say something about some criminals are too stupid to use
encryption?
(snip)
> Duncan Campbell gave his usual factual, unemotive account.
> Good man Dunc.
Agreed.
(snip)
> John Carr, an "Internet Consultant", who specialised in advising
> childrens charities (um) spouted the old "the internet is full of
> paedeophiles" and other criminals - the same old arguments which
> time and time again have been shown to be crass. Then he stated that the
> police must go before court/home sec before they can tap your line -
> yeah and GCHQ et al can do what the hell they like!
John Carr was a Labour politician at Ken Livingstone's Greater London
Council from 1981-86. JC, for at least part of that time, was
responsible for GLC employees (Chairman of the Staff committee IIRC). At that
time, he didn't know a computer from the back end of a bus...but he may do
now of course. JC's attitude to the Police, censorship and civil rights may
also have changed over the years.
(snip)
> Both Diffie and Zimmerman provided sane input - Zimmerman in particular
> stated the point - "the police should stick to traditional methods" -
> some sense at last.
The first time I've ever seen either.
But much more important than all of this was the 3rd item on Newsnight: Chess
is now a sport! (Just kidding about the importance.)
Regards. David.
David Hamilton
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