[15497] in APO-L
Questions & Suggestions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ivey Shouse - APO)
Tue Nov 12 13:08:56 1996
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:48:47 EST
Reply-To: Ivey Shouse - APO <UGSHOUSE@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
From: Ivey Shouse - APO <UGSHOUSE@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Hi guys, Just like everyone else I have been reading the posts for a
while and have decided to put in my two cents worth.
First, I pledged Kappa Upsilon which used to be all male. But those
brothers that were around in 1976 got burrs up their behinds and said no
way is this chapter going to be coed. So they let the charter revoke
itself. We were rechartered in the early 1980's. And ofcourse became
coed . I am using this as a point to state that the *promise* has been
kept thus for. If the brother back in 1976 hadn't been in such a hurry
to say hell (sorry for the language) no to women Kappa Upsilon would be
experiencing what you guys are.
Second, For Mark, You mentioned that the females could pledge Gamma Sig.
When I pledged APO I didn't even know that Gamma Sig. Existed. They DID
produce flyers, banners, or any other paraphernalia with their logo and
Rush information on it. Also what happens if I transfer to a school that
has an all male chapter and if I remember correctly you said that
females could do service on campus and in the community with OphiA or
Gamma Sig.. Does that mean I have to Rush and pledge an organization
again. That hardly seems fair to me seeing that I have already been
through that once. Could your chapter perhaps allow females that have
been through the process to become a brother in your chapter but not
accept females as pledges as long as you state why.
Third, I understand what is being said about traditions even the coed
chapters have traditions. But can those tradtions be more accepting of
others?
Fourth, Speaking of traditions, What happens if one of the men from the
all male chapter transfers to a school that had an all female chapter. I
am not refering to a chapter that tries to recurit males but have not
had any luck. But suppose one of the all female colleges goes coed and
one of you guys transfer there and ask to be accepted by their chapter
as a transfer brother and they say no. They say it will ruin traditions.
They tell you to pledge an all male service organization. How would that
make you feel? I grewup hearing the Golden Rule "Do onto others as you
would have them do onto you."
Guys I don't mean this to be insulting , condesending or anyhting else
with negative connotations attached. I mean the questions and the
suggestion to be food for thought. I am not saying that the all male
chapter are wrong for remaing all male but I am also not saying that it
is right on the part of the coed to force them to go coed. Nor am I
saying that it is right in the part of the all male chapters to remain
To but I am not say that it is wrong of the coed chapters to force them
to go coed. I Trying to be objective and offer suggestions and food for
thought. I do know that if this argument doesn't occur now it will occur
later. But it will be back. And the outcome of what happens at Nations
is going to irritate somebody. YOu con not please every one at the same
time.But you can try to please the majortiy of the people. I do have one
other suggestion for every one . THis is for all male and the coed
chapters. I know what is being argued is dear to the hearts of many but
the personal attacks, the name calling, the I'm right your wrong
attitude has to stop it is not accomplishing anythig. Iwish eveyone the
best in what they do.
LFS,
Ivey Shouse
Ivey Marie Shouse "The Uncultured One"
East Carolina University
Alpha Phi Omega - Kappa Upsilon
Region III Section 80
Vice President Of Service
Umstead Hall 122 Greenville, NC 27858 (919) 328-3514
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