[15498] in APO-L
Re: Questions & Suggestions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ken Sippel)
Tue Nov 12 13:12:14 1996
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:10:59 EST
Reply-To: Ken Sippel <gcsippel@EASTNET.EDUC.ECU.EDU>
From: Ken Sippel <gcsippel@EASTNET.EDUC.ECU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
At 11:48 AM 11/12/96 EST, Ivey Shouse - APO wrote:
>Hi guys, Just like everyone else I have been reading the posts for a
>while and have decided to put in my two cents worth.
>
>First, I pledged Kappa Upsilon which used to be all male. But those
>brothers that were around in 1976 got burrs up their behinds and said no
>way is this chapter going to be coed. So they let the charter revoke
>itself. We were rechartered in the early 1980's. And ofcourse became
>coed . I am using this as a point to state that the *promise* has been
>kept thus for. If the brother back in 1976 hadn't been in such a hurry
>to say hell (sorry for the language) no to women Kappa Upsilon would be
>experiencing what you guys are.
>
>Second, For Mark, You mentioned that the females could pledge Gamma Sig.
>When I pledged APO I didn't even know that Gamma Sig. Existed. They DID
>produce flyers, banners, or any other paraphernalia with their logo and
>Rush information on it. Also what happens if I transfer to a school that
>has an all male chapter and if I remember correctly you said that
>females could do service on campus and in the community with OphiA or
>Gamma Sig.. Does that mean I have to Rush and pledge an organization
>again. That hardly seems fair to me seeing that I have already been
>through that once. Could your chapter perhaps allow females that have
>been through the process to become a brother in your chapter but not
>accept females as pledges as long as you state why.
>
>Third, I understand what is being said about traditions even the coed
>chapters have traditions. But can those tradtions be more accepting of
>others?
>
>Fourth, Speaking of traditions, What happens if one of the men from the
>all male chapter transfers to a school that had an all female chapter. I
>am not refering to a chapter that tries to recurit males but have not
>had any luck. But suppose one of the all female colleges goes coed and
>one of you guys transfer there and ask to be accepted by their chapter
>as a transfer brother and they say no. They say it will ruin traditions.
>They tell you to pledge an all male service organization. How would that
>make you feel? I grewup hearing the Golden Rule "Do onto others as you
>would have them do onto you."
>
>Guys I don't mean this to be insulting , condesending or anyhting else
>with negative connotations attached. I mean the questions and the
>suggestion to be food for thought. I am not saying that the all male
>chapter are wrong for remaing all male but I am also not saying that it
>is right on the part of the coed to force them to go coed. Nor am I
>saying that it is right in the part of the all male chapters to remain
>To but I am not say that it is wrong of the coed chapters to force them
>to go coed. I Trying to be objective and offer suggestions and food for
>thought. I do know that if this argument doesn't occur now it will occur
>later. But it will be back. And the outcome of what happens at Nations
>is going to irritate somebody. YOu con not please every one at the same
>time.But you can try to please the majortiy of the people. I do have one
>other suggestion for every one . THis is for all male and the coed
>chapters. I know what is being argued is dear to the hearts of many but
>the personal attacks, the name calling, the I'm right your wrong
>attitude has to stop it is not accomplishing anythig. Iwish eveyone the
>best in what they do.
>
>
>LFS,
>
>Ivey Shouse
>
>Ivey Marie Shouse "The Uncultured One"
>East Carolina University
>Alpha Phi Omega - Kappa Upsilon
>Region III Section 80
>Vice President Of Service
>
>Umstead Hall 122 Greenville, NC 27858 (919) 328-3514
>Bitnet: UGSHOUSE@ECUVM1 Internet: UGSHOUSE@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU
Damn good post girl however proofread ur post next time it will vastly
improve the impact. Ie Nations is supposed to be Nationals.
In LFS,
Ken
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