[17604] in APO-L
Re: Addition to Alcohol Discussion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Roberts)
Tue Nov 18 21:58:07 1997
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:37:30 -0500
Reply-To: "danr@netwalk.com" <danr@netwalk.com>
From: Daniel Roberts <danr@netwalk.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
On Monday, November 17, 1997 3:26 AM, Bryan Royer- Alpha Gamma Xi
[SMTP:Sleepy477@AOL.COM] wrote:
> I was talking to some a couple of people in APO here at UDayton who
> happen to be heavily involved in Scouting. One talked about the fact
that
> alcohol is not allowed at ANY Boy Scout function. He did not like the
idea
> that we occasionally do drink at our functions (usually just semiformal)
when
> APO is supposed to based off of the Scouts.
This is an issue I remember taking up with NESA. Clearly APHIO must
respect and understand it's Scouting roots but you need only look at
various Scout and Guide Associations around the world to realize that there
are many ways to develop the basic ideals of Scouting. In my experience
with BSA functions on BSA property Alcohol has always been forbidden. I
have never understood why this would be an issue. If we can make the other
commitments of time, talent, and treasure to promote Scouting can't we
forego a drink? I have also attended Scouting functions hosted by other
Scout Associations. Cultures where alcohol is dealt with differently. Use
of alcohol in that cultural context did not present problems. We certainly
can respect others views even if we would not necessarily chose their
particular interpretation. I am well beyond the age where I last got
carded but to pass on alcohol at a chapter or other undergraduate function
does not harm me and I believe is respectful towards the undergraduates who
can not legally drink. Individuals who choose to order alcohol at alumni
dinners do not faze me either. Come to think of it I don't believe anyone
has ever raised the issue in that context.
> One of the things that appears to be difficult to nail down into
words
> is "how many brothers does it take to make an non-APO event 'official' in
the
> eyes of _____." Some of us want to include drinking with letters on as
being
> a bad thing even if the consumer is over 21. I know that some have
answered
> these questions but I would like to get a response from anyone who has
> something like this addressed in a RMP or Chapter Bylaws.
The attorney in me rears up at this. I can not say loud enough that these
decisions can and will be second guessed by a jury if something goes wrong.
That jury of your peers think is a nice ideal but the odds of getting a
significant number of college students under 21 on the jury are nil. Hence
the standards that the jury applies will not be the same as in a chapter
sub committee meeting.
> I am one of those who favor having a dry chapter. I can only see
> alcohol leading to some sort of problem down the road but I am open to
> suggestions that oppose my view.
>
Again, I fail to see how any alumni or other APHIO related person can
believe they need alcohol so badly that they can not respect a chapter's
decision to take this approach. One who does has more serious issues to
face.
> We, as a chapter, would appreciate any help in this area. Thank you
>
> In LF&S,
>
> Bryan Royer
> Membership VP
> AGX- UDayton
>
> Minds are like parachutes
> They only function when they are open
>
BTW and for your reference I am an attorney practicing criminal law in
Columbus. Nothing I say here should be construed as legal advice.
Dan Roberts
