[9841] in APO-L
Re: BSA Amendments - Part II -Reply
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Newman)
Wed Oct 19 02:04:02 1994
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:59:00 EDT
Reply-To: Michael J Newman <MJN115@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
From: Michael J Newman <MJN115@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list APO-L <APO-L%PURCCVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
- - The original note follows - -
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 01:40 EDT
From: "Michael J Newman" <MJN115@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BSA Amendments - Part II -Reply
To: NARAHT@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
TO ALL..SORRY ABOUT THE FORMAT! MY MAILER IS A LITTLE MESSED UP!
PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING... MY COMMENTS ARE PROCEDEDD BY A --- .
AND FOLLOWED BY A ___
>Most recent Eagle revocation was about 3 years ago. As of this point
>9 Eagle awards have been revoked. All of these after the Eagle Scout was
>convicted of a Felony (6 murder, 2 rape and 1 child molestation, I believe)
---Thank You.. the info is most appreciated!___ >I disagree, While
EagleScout is the highest rank in BSA, It is one >of the ranks in BSA. I
doubt many people would react too strongly to the >statement "Iwas a
Tenderfoot Scout." I have never seen anything >in the handbook about the
Eagle Scout award being awarded in a different >mode that would cause a
difference in the way it is described. > ---This is one of those things,
like so many others that exists on a traditional level and is seldom if ever
recorded. A fact that you might not know, is that in accepting the Eagle
award you make a one year commitment to serve your troop. This is different
from all the other ranks. When you sign that final board paperwork it asks
that you make the commitment. Eagle is also differnet beacuse of the NAtional &
Council approval requirements.___ >How is this different than 1)? >
---This isn't any different, I got carried away Sorry to have screwed up onthis
guys___ >4) He is using common usage to refer to an award given him in
the past >in the past tense. For example: At work, the topic of Colorado
comes up. >I mention that I went to Denver, when someone asks why I went to
>Denver, my response might be: "I was a brother of Alpha Phi Omega and went
>there for a convention." I do that without in my opinion insulting the
>brotherhood. > >Refering to being an Eagle scout also creates some strange
combinations >of phrase such as "I am an Eagle Scout, I was a boy scout". >
>A less nebulous way of explaining things is >"I earned my Eagle Scout
award." > ---There is more to the Eagle scout award thannjust earning it...
it is considered by many to be a mark of good character and high moral
syanding. The board of review process is more than just making sure that
your reqs. are done, they judge you on the qualities that you are supposed
to uphold as a man embodying the Scout Oath & Law. On the topic of
oddities? Well, you may only be a Boy Scout until 18(as you know) but you
are an Eagle for life as I have already stated.Think about this... the vast
majority of "civilians" view the Eagle Scout award as something good and
American--a mark that you are better than the common man. I know this from
experience wiht employers and the public at large. Another point about the
special nature of the Eagle award is born out by the US mIlitary, they will
bump you up one pay grade AUTOMATICALLY if you are an Eagle Scout! I know
this from personal experience with recruiters and have friends in the
military now who fit into this category.___
>I don't think there are all that many people in APO who are not
pro-scouting. ---Then maybe you should read some of my mail...___
>I would imagine if BSA has the membership requirements of, for example,
>Scouts Canada. There would be much less likelihood of these type >of
ammendments coming up. ---If I knew the membership policy of Scouts Canada
I might make a reply... how do they differ from the USA?___
>When we become brothers of Alpha Phi Omega, we also commit to those ideals
of >the Scout Oath and Law. However in certain ways, APO's interpretation
>of the Scout Oath and Law differs from that of BSA. ---Interpretations
shouldn't differ on this one, you cannot accept a law and interpret as you
see fit...this is hypocrisy at its highest and most evil level.As to
the commitment to the Oath & Law upon joining APO? I would suggest that
yuo read the first three amendments in the Nationals packet wherein the
wording is changed in the articles of incorporation, membership policy and
purpose of APO so that the Scout Oath & Law are only a historical foundation
and no longer active ideals of this fratenity._____ >Alpha Phi Omega Alumnus
>(awarded star rank in BSA) ---I am glad that you made it this far...and I
am also happy to here from someone who has not attacked me personally ( not
that it really matters)and knows something about which I posted. -just mike
