[1481] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: Fwd: party in the hiz-ouse
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sebastian Gutierrez)
Tue Oct 7 15:40:00 2003
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:39:27 -0700
From: Sebastian Gutierrez <sgutierr@MIT.EDU>
To: MIT-Talk@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: <878ynwsyvn.fsf@woodcarver.mitre.org>
Not to open up a can of worms...
can you honestly say that anything would have been done by judcomm or
any other investigating committee?
At least the issue was brought to light.
"better to light a candle than to curse the darkness"
- chinese proverb
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From: Talk about MIT, for MIT, by MIT. [mailto:MIT-Talk@MIT.EDU] On
Behalf Of Brian T. Sniffen
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:10 AM
To: MIT-Talk@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Fwd: party in the hiz-ouse
Someone on ec-discuss writes:
> Judcomm stuff is usually confidential, I think.
That's an interesting point: MIT has a pretty reasonable policy for
dealing with harassment complaints: there's a judicial process and a
strongly suggested avenue of mediation. There's a clear chain of
faculty and administrators who have experience and proper training.
In cases like this, where there may not be anything objectively wrong
-- somebody's offended and subjectively believes this is wrong, but even
Vest's mail didn't call out any specific conduct as creating a hostile
environment -- the mediation option isn't reasonable: it's goal is
quieting dissent and producing consensus, not fairness. By the nature
of its processes, it *cannot* produce a result such as "That was
offensive but legal: uncivilized, rude, and beneath the standards MIT
expects. It is not prohibited conduct."
On the other hand, a fair use of MIT's internal judicial process is now
impossible: the President of the Institute has already expressed his
opinion as to what should be decided, in a very public way. No
Institute committee, board, or jury can be expected to disregard that.
President Vest, or whoever sent that e-mail message in his name, should
have kept his opinions to himself and allowed the Institute's normal
judicial process to work. The CCRR should have been trusted to deal
directly with the matter at an appropriately non-political
administrative level.
-Brian
>>>>Subject: party in the hiz-ouse
>>>>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:23:05 -0400
>>>>
>>>>this will also serve as our loftwarming party, so come check our two
>>>>story mansion of a room...
>>>>
>>>>------- Forwarded Message
>>>>
>>>>Callin all you playas, pimps, hos, gangstas, and bitches... there=20
>>>>be a party goin down in da Tetazoo walcott ghetto this thursday=20
>>>>10/2. So come on over at 10pm to da EAST SIDE fo' food, drink, and=20
>>>>a genuine trash-can-fire heated tent
>>>>city in our hood. And heed our manifesto:
>>>>
>>>>"""
>>>>
>>>>1. Litter frequently. Walcott is not a place for pussies or for=20
>>>>clean people. Ghettos are not clean. Walcott as is is way too=20
>>>>clean. If you find empty bottles (ideally 40s), hubcaps, or oil=20
>>>>barrels, toss them into the hallway. If
>>>>you are unsure about where to litter, litter in mikey p's room.
>>>>
>>>>2. Graffitti is encouraged. Think your roommates (or mikeyp's)=20
>>>>wall looks to clean? Fix the problem.
>>>>
>>>>3. Loud music is key. Rap will be played at an acceptable (read,=20
>>>>really fucking loud) volume. If your neighbors ask you to turn it=20
>>>>down, threaten them with physical violence.
>>>>
>>>>4. Ass slapping is essential. If someone slaps your ass,=20
>>>>reciprocate. Do not take ass slapping as a sign of sexual=20
>>>>harassment or hazing - it is important to
>>>>your well being on walcott.
>>>>
>>>>5. Steal stuff from other areas of the hall. Do you need an extra=20
>>>>computer and the ones on reuse won't cut it? I hear mattxmal has a=20
>>>>good computer. He wont
>>>>miss it - and if he does, we will fuck him up real bad when he tries
to
>>>>take it
>>>>back. If you steal something from somebody and they accuse you of
doing so,
>>>>threaten them with physical violence. Actually, just threaten
everyone with
>>>>physical violence.
>>>>
>>>>6. Fried Chicken, 40's, Cheap Lawn chairs. Hells yeah.
>>>>
>>>>peace out,
>>>>walcott niggas fo life
--
Brian T. Sniffen bts@alum.mit.edu
http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/
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