[1574] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: OUT OF THE CLOSET
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Cameron)
Wed Oct 20 09:08:55 2004
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:07:58 -0400
Reply-To: cbass@alum.mit.edu
From: Cameron <cbass@MIT.EDU>
To: MIT-Talk@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: <20041019210400.91410.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com>
Not that i want to get involved, especially since i unsubscribed myself from
this list 2 years ago, but somehow was auto-re-added, but:
is there any proof whatsoever that this is zhe talking? its a frigging
yahoo.com email address. Who the hell trusts anything sent anonymously these
days? if you want then I could get a pres cannady yahoo address and start
talking about how limp bizkit is the best hip hop group of the past 20 years.
Would you believe me?
Quoting Zhelinrentice Scott <zheclampitt@YAHOO.COM>:
> I am offically out of the closet.
>
> I AM A REPUBLICAN. Why? Because being democrat
> means being PRO CHOICE. PRO CHOICE = 48 million black
> babies being killed.
>
> Margaret Sanger was a racist who hated GOD, Blacks,
> and jews. She subscribes to the population control
> theories as well. CHECK HER SPEECHES IT'S ALL THERE.
>
> The dixiecrats/democrats HATE BLACK PEOPLE.
> That is why they support abortion and
> make it extremely difficult for black babies
> to be adopted. STROM THURMOND is a WELL KNOWN
> Dixie crat.
>
> Do you want to know WHY DAVID HOROWITZ had
> BODYGUARDS when he came to speak at MIT?
> IT IS BECAUSE THE FBI and LOCAL POLICE ARE CORRUPT.
> Richard Denholm, supervising agent for the ENTIRE
> PUblic Corruption unit of the FBI has REFUSED TO HELP
> ME even when I've told him that my life is in
> danger. I've worked for the FBI and I KNOW how
> corrupt they are. Aimee Smith KNOWS THIS TOO. GOD IS
> THE ONLY THING THAT IS PROTECTING ME, MY HUSBAND, and
> MY DAUGHTER.
>
> Currently, the only thing protecting my family is
> GOD. Simply because I think to much. I know
> too much.
>
> A vote for Kerry is a vote for:
>
> --OPPRESSION
> --RACIST POLICIES
> --PUTTING OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IN THE HANDS OF People
> WHO HATE US
> --AGAINST GOD who blessed this nation in the first
> place
> --THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to control
> BLACKS ON EMOTION INSTEAD OF FACTS.
> --CORRUPT POLICE, CIA, and FBI
>
> A VOTE FOR KERRY IS A VOTE FOR THE DEVIL!!!
>
> Zhe
> --- Presley H Cannady <revprez@MIT.EDU> wrote:
>
> > First, let's get this out in the open.
> >
> >
>
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/naes/2004_03_military-data_10-15_report.pdf
> >
> > So for all you Mooreniks out there entertaining
> > fantasies of the military vote
> > breaking against Bush, the dream is over.
> >
> > Anyway.
> >
> > Quoting "Shayna H. Hirshfield" <shaynahh@umich.edu>:
> >
> > > You might find the following article from the New
> > York Times interesting.
> > > The first thought that comes to my mind after
> > reading the article you sent is
> >
> > > of my grandparents and many other older folks with
> > whom I've talked in the
> > > last year from across the board - people who were
> > alive and politically aware
> >
> > > during WWII - who consistently say that what they
> > see in the current US
> > > administration reminds them of the Nazi buildup
> > prior to WWII, and is
> > > consequently one of the scariest regimes they have
> > ever seen.
> >
> > Any specific, meaningful parallels?
> >
> > > Yes, steadfastness is important. So is freedom.
> > Denying freedom and liberty
> >
> > > has never worked to make a populace safer -
> > witness Japanese internment
> > camps
> > > and COINTELPRO - yet that is exactly has been
> > done, in the most insidious of
> > > ways, through the Patriot Act.
> >
> > You cannot say that the Japanese interment camps or
> > COINTELPRO did nothing to
> > enhance American security. We can argue whether
> > certain counterintelligence
> > policies are more effective than others, but at
> > minimum both COINTELPRO and
> > internment hindered the enemy's ability to recruit
> > in country and commit acts
> > of espianoge.
> >
> > > The author of the article you sent refers to a
> > "nation that tamed a
> > > frontier;" surely that person is talking about the
> > "conquest" of this
> > > continent, when genocide was committed flagrantly
> > against scores of nations
> > > who had been living here for centuries.
> >
> > You're exaggerating. The American wars against
> > Indian nations yielded nothing
> > compared to the atrocities committed by European
> > imperialists a full century
> > before. And whether or not we judge historical
> > figures by present day values,
> > the fact remains that the United States successfully
> > pacified a turbulent west
> > and brought civilization and prosperity to our part
> > of the continent.
> >
> > > What a thing to glorify!
> >
> > It is. The American war against various Indian
> > tribes were far more humane than
> > comparable conflicts in Africa, Asia and Europe.
> >
> > > Doing
> > > "great things" and bringing democracy to the
> > Middle East... surely we've
> > > tried this before, in Iran, in Latin America...
> > we don't exactly have a good
> >
> > > track record with that, and we're not building one
> > now.
> >
> > Actually, we do have a good track record. Within
> > the past twenty years the US
> > has assisted the growth of democracy and free market
> > capitalism in over a
> > hundred countries. We can disagree over whether it
> > was wise to support one
> > authoritarian interest over another in some specific
> > place at some particular
> > time, but it betrays a lack of seriousness to
> > dismiss the very real, two-decade
> > long global march towards democracy.
> >
> > > On the contrary, we
> > > are creating even more chaos for people who were
> > already suffering.
> >
> > Based on what indicators? Even the Brookings Iraq
> > Index indicates that the
> > Iraqi people are suffering no more than they were
> > before the war and doing a
> > little bit better.
> >
> > > (I am not so myopic as to say that Saddam was a
> > good leader, but come on, was
> >
> > > it our duty to oust him on such a thin
> > justification?)
> >
> > Thin justification? The Duelfer Report has
> > conclusively demonstrated Iraqi
> > capacity to develop WMD in short order and the
> > intentions to do so once the
> > sanctions regime collapsed. That and the world has
> > Iran in an ideal strategic
> > strangle hold, boxed in between 150,000 US and
> > Coalition troops in the west,
> > another 11,000 in the east, Russia and the Persian
> > Gulf.
> >
> > > 1,082 American soldiers have
> > > already died in Iraq last I checked, and we're
> > only marginally - dubiously -
> > > closer to peace than we were when the "official"
> > war ended over a year ago.
> >
> > Marginally? Dubiously? Political transition did
> > occur. Preparations for
> > January elections are proceeding. The Iraqi armed
> > services have sufficient
> > strength presently to participate in SASO. The only
> > thing dubious I see here
> > are characterizations belittling the enormous amount
> > of progress made in such a
> > strategically vital region at such an historically
> > low cost.
> >
> > > Does this speak to our being on the right path?
> > Hardly. Cheney himself,
> > > under the first President Bush, said that we
> > would be stupid to attack Iraq
> > > for a number of reasons.
> >
> > He did not say it would be stupid to attack Iraq.
> >
> > > Every justification that has been offered by this
> > > administration - retaliation, WMDs, etc - has been
> > shot down.
> >
> > Really? How so? Before the war the quibbling over
> > stockpiles amounted to a
> > debate over a few hundred tons of material--about as
> > much as the Duelfer report
> > indicate Iraq could produce in a matter of days or
> > weeks; a capability the
> > UNMOVIC inspectors had suspected but could not
> > uncover precisely because they
> > couldn't control the environment in which Iraqi
> > scientists were interviewed.
> > The 9/11 commission found Hussein's contacts with
> > Bin Laden sufficiently
> > compelling to include in their final report, and the
> > Senate Intelligence
> > Committee concluded that the IC had reasonably
> > assessed Hussein's relationship
> > with al Qaeda as it pertains to the provision of
> > sancturary and training in the
> > handling and use of non-conventional weapons.
> >
> > When you get down to it, every reason for war the
> > Administration laid out was
> > borne out in the post-war assessment. The question
> > is over a matter of
> > emphasis, and even then the difference of opinion
> > is, by any objective
> > standard, small and inconsequential.
> >
> > > The vast majority of scholars of the Middle East
> > said at the outset of this
> > > war that we should not do it that it was a doomed
> > venture, that we had no
> > > idea what we were getting into.
> >
> > I don't know about that. Was there a poll? And
> > besides, how many Middle East
> > scholars are also strategic analysts and/or
> > warfighters? Why should I care
> > what somebody like Juan Cole, a man who's made a
> > career out of arriving at
> > wrong conclusion about Islamic societies and has no
> > special expertise in
> > strategic studies, thinks about the Coalition
> > mission in Iraq?
> >
> > > Yet we went ahead, like the shoot-from-the-hip
> > cowboy does,
> >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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