[1685] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: [Mit-talk] Re: [Sponge-talk] dollar bill mural
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andrew Lukmann)
Wed Dec 14 01:13:30 2005
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:13:08 -0500
From: Andrew Lukmann <lukymann@mit.edu>
To: Dheera Venkatraman <dheera@mit.edu>
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cc: Milo <milo@mit.edu>
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The Architect couldn't have been more than 35 and her assistant who did
most of the presentation work looked like he was barely older than I am...
Anyways, that's irrelevant, I just wanted to mention that there
certainly was student input on the design of the space. The CAC
basically did exactly what was asked of them by the undergraduate body
when working to plan out a project that will affect us. They put
together a committee of stakeholders including a number of undergrads
nominated by the UA. In addition they put together a open and advertised
info session on the project last December. Phil Walsh himself stood out
in the Infinite with cookies trying to entice people to come in and look
at the proposed plans. In addition the Tech reported on the project and
it was open knowledge that the alternatives for the project included
modification or removal of the existing mural. On top of that the
Working Group on the project continued this year and had a meeting a
couple of weeks ago which included undergraduate reps. I attended this
meeting and when the issue of the mural came up I took a number of
minutes clarifying to the committee that some members of the
undergraduate community would be sensitive to the removal of the mural.
I said that it would be best if we could implement the project while
maintaining as much of the mural as possible. However in light of
discussion of the structural elements in the wall itself and the design
goals of the space, the balance of the group felt that the final design
solution is appropriate. That said, I think this is going to be a great
space and a welcome addition to a part of campus that doesn't have much
student lounge or 'hang-out' space and any concerns about the
preservation of the mural should be measured in light of the friendly,
bright, brand new lounge space we will recieve. Remember that the CAC
has been fighting for a year to get funding for this project in our
interests. Would you rather the office be given to some non-student
related administrative office? Anyways... Just saying, a lot of people
don't have the facts of the situation and I applaud jhawk for his
initative at trying to clarify the issue. I have been very busy with the
UA, the Senate and my schoolwork the last few days otherwise I would
have had even more time to detail things myself.
That being said, if people have questions, feel free to e-mail me but I
likely won't be able to get back to you with rapidity.
-ATL
Dheera Venkatraman wrote:
>yeah ok, even better, i don't think anyone's gonna be sleeping in there
>with a nice huge glass panel. leaving the dollar bill is especially a
>good idea in this case.
>
>way to go, old architects, for trying to design "better" social places
>again. notice how anything social with student input is a success and
>anything that was designed to be social by some old people without
>student input has rarely been a success.
>
>-dheera
>
>On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 19:03 -0500, Dmitry Kashlev wrote:
>
>
>>the lounge will NOT be used for studying. On teh contrary it is designed
>>as a place to sleep in, get some rest, and to socialize.
>>
>>~Dmitry
>>
>>C. Kiersten Pollard wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>HOLA!
>>>I like that mural too! I think that a new student lounge would be
>>>cooler if that wall was left the way it is. Plus it's hard to study
>>>with people passing by and looking at you:P
>>>ADOIS!~Kiersten~
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Milo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey Sponge-talk. I'm trying to get input on the dollar bill mural. I
>>>>was suggested to send e-mail here. Please get to me if you have
>>>>something to say!! Here's what I already said.. and please keep me
>>>>cc'd on any discussion since I'm not on spongetalk. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>_________________
>>>>Have you seen that guy camped out near lobby 10 taking pics of the
>>>>dollar bill lately? Well, I over heard him talking, and he's doing it
>>>>because the mural is being taken down. This is more than likely part
>>>>of that student lounge space they want to create there.
>>>>
>>>>Personally I would hate to see that mural go. It's part of MIT and
>>>>Hacking History. Anyone know how long it's been there? The idea is to
>>>>replace it with a glass wall so that you can be like a little hamster
>>>>in a cage for people to look at when they walk by the lounge....
>>>>
>>>>IF you care please let me know, I want peoples opinions. Maybe I can
>>>>talk to some admins and find out what the deal is with it, but I'm
>>>>won't if I'm the only person thinking this way.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks everyone.
>>>>
>>>>~milo
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - The reason Kevin might not graduate.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
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The Architect couldn't have been more than 35 and her assistant who did
most of the presentation work looked like he was barely older than I
am...<br>
<br>
Anyways, that's irrelevant, I just wanted to mention that there
certainly was student input on the design of the space. The CAC
basically did exactly what was asked of them by the undergraduate body
when working to plan out a project that will affect us. They put
together a committee of stakeholders including a number of undergrads
nominated by the UA. In addition they put together a open and
advertised info session on the project last December. Phil Walsh
himself stood out in the Infinite with cookies trying to entice people
to come in and look at the proposed plans. In addition the Tech
reported on the project and it was open knowledge that the alternatives
for the project included modification or removal of the existing mural.
On top of that the Working Group on the project continued this year and
had a meeting a couple of weeks ago which included undergraduate reps.
I attended this meeting and when the issue of the mural came up I took
a number of minutes clarifying to the committee that some members of
the undergraduate community would be sensitive to the removal of the
mural. I said that it would be best if we could implement the project
while maintaining as much of the mural as possible. However in light of
discussion of the structural elements in the wall itself and the design
goals of the space, the balance of the group felt that the final design
solution is appropriate. That said, I think this is going to be a great
space and a welcome addition to a part of campus that doesn't have much
student lounge or 'hang-out' space and any concerns about the
preservation of the mural should be measured in light of the friendly,
bright, brand new lounge space we will recieve. Remember that the CAC
has been fighting for a year to get funding for this project in our
interests. Would you rather the office be given to some non-student
related administrative office? Anyways... Just saying, a lot of people
don't have the facts of the situation and I applaud jhawk for his
initative at trying to clarify the issue. I have been very busy with
the UA, the Senate and my schoolwork the last few days otherwise I
would have had even more time to detail things myself.<br>
<br>
That being said, if people have questions, feel free to e-mail me but I
likely won't be able to get back to you with rapidity.<br>
<br>
-ATL<br>
<br>
Dheera Venkatraman wrote:
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cite="mid1134533141.6981.343.camel@MAY-THE-FORCE-BE-WITH-YOU.MIT.EDU"
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<pre wrap="">yeah ok, even better, i don't think anyone's gonna be sleeping in there
with a nice huge glass panel. leaving the dollar bill is especially a
good idea in this case.
way to go, old architects, for trying to design "better" social places
again. notice how anything social with student input is a success and
anything that was designed to be social by some old people without
student input has rarely been a success.
-dheera
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 19:03 -0500, Dmitry Kashlev wrote:
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<pre wrap="">the lounge will NOT be used for studying. On teh contrary it is designed
as a place to sleep in, get some rest, and to socialize.
~Dmitry
C. Kiersten Pollard wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">HOLA!
I like that mural too! I think that a new student lounge would be
cooler if that wall was left the way it is. Plus it's hard to study
with people passing by and looking at you:P
ADOIS!~Kiersten~
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Milo wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hey Sponge-talk. I'm trying to get input on the dollar bill mural. I
was suggested to send e-mail here. Please get to me if you have
something to say!! Here's what I already said.. and please keep me
cc'd on any discussion since I'm not on spongetalk. Thanks!
_________________
Have you seen that guy camped out near lobby 10 taking pics of the
dollar bill lately? Well, I over heard him talking, and he's doing it
because the mural is being taken down. This is more than likely part
of that student lounge space they want to create there.
Personally I would hate to see that mural go. It's part of MIT and
Hacking History. Anyone know how long it's been there? The idea is to
replace it with a glass wall so that you can be like a little hamster
in a cage for people to look at when they walk by the lounge....
IF you care please let me know, I want peoples opinions. Maybe I can
talk to some admins and find out what the deal is with it, but I'm
won't if I'm the only person thinking this way.
Thanks everyone.
~milo
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