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Re: [Cryptography] Crypto Standards v.s. Engineering habits - Was:

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Kelsey)
Mon Oct 7 09:50:22 2013

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From: John Kelsey <crypto.jmk@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 11:26:11 -0400
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If we can't select ciphersuites that we are sure we will always be comfortable with (for at least some forseeable lifetime) then we urgently need the ability to *stop* using them at some point.  The examples of MD5 and RC4 make that pretty clear.  

Ceasing to use one particular encryption algorithm in something like SSL/TLS should be the easiest case--we don't have to worry about old signatures/certificates using the outdated algorithm or anything.  And yet we can't reliably do even that.  

--John
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