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Re: [Cryptography] Crypto Standards v.s. Engineering habits - Was:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (James A. Donald)
Mon Oct 7 09:51:51 2013
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 07:43:53 +1000
From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
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On 2013-10-07 01:18, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> We are not at war with Iran.
We are not exactly at peace with Iran either, but that is irrelevant,
for presumably it was a Jew that did it, and Iran is at war with Jews.
(And they are none too keen on Christians, Bahais, or Zoroastrians either)
> I am aware that there are people who would
> like to start a war with Iran, the same ones who wanted to start the war
> with Iraq which caused a half million deaths but no war crimes trials to
> date.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. You
can reasonably argue that we should not get involved in Israel's
problems, but you should not complain about Israel getting involved in
Israel's problems.
> Iran used to have a democracy
Had a democracy where if you opposed Mohammad Mosaddegh you got murdered
by Islamists.
Which, of course differs only in degree from our democracy, where (to
get back to some slight relevance to cryptography) Ladar Levison gets
put out of business for defending the fourth Amendment, and Pax gets put
on a government blacklist that requires him to be fired and prohibits
his business from being funded for tweeting disapproval of affirmative
action for women in tech.
And similarly, if Hitler's Germany was supposedly not a democracy, why
then was Roosevelt's America supposedly a democracy?
I oppose democracy because it typically results from, and leads to,
government efforts to control the thoughts of the people. There is not
a large difference between our government requiring Pax to be fired, and
Mohammad Mosaddegh murdering Haj-Ali Razmara. Democracy also frequently
results in large scale population replacement and ethnic cleansing, as
for example Detroit and the Ivory Coast, as more expensive voters get
laid off and cheaper voters get imported.
Mohammed Moasddegh loved democracy because he was successful and
effective in murdering his opponents, and the Shah was unwilling or
unable to murder the Shah's opponents.
And our government loves democracy because it can blacklist Pax and
destroy Levison.
If you want murder and blacklists, population replacement and ethnic
cleansing, support democracy. If you don't want murder and blacklists,
should have supported the Shah.
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