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Re: [Cryptography] funding Tor development
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Nicholas Vanderweit)
Thu Oct 17 17:18:44 2013
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:16:07 -0600
From: Nicholas Vanderweit <nick.vanderweit@gmail.com>
To: cryptography@metzdowd.com
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Michael Kirk
<michael.john.kirk@gmail.com>wrote:
> For some reason the [tor donation page] doesn't want your bitcoins.
>
> <snip>
> Instead of donating bitcoins to Tor, please consider a donation to
> Torservers.net <https://www.torservers.net/donate.html>, NoiseTor<http://noisetor.net/#bitcoin>,
> orTails <https://tails.boum.org/contribute/how/donate/#bitcoin> which
> will turn your bitcoin donation into a faster, larger Tor Network for all.
> </snip>
>
> [tor donation page]
> https://www.torproject.org/donate/donate.html.en
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kelly John Rose <iam@kjro.se> wrote:
>
>> I think a surprising number of people could be talked into $10/mo.
>>
>> If the donations could be done effectively anonymously, it could
>> probably get far more.
>>
>> On 17/10/2013 11:55 AM, Jerry Leichter wrote:
>> > On Oct 17, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dave Howe <davehowe.pentesting@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Guys, in order to minimize Tor Project's dependance on
>> >>> federal funding and/or increase what they can do it
>> >>> would be great to have some additional funding ~10 kUSD/month.
>> >> I would say what is needed is not one source at $10K/month but 10K
>> >> sources at $1/month.
>> >>
>> >> A single source of funding is *always* a single source of control.
>> > It's also easier to find sources of smaller amounts.
>> >
>> > I couldn't come close to funding $10K/month, but might be talked into
>> $10/month.
>> >
>> > -- Jerry
>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Kelly John Rose
>> Mississauga, ON
>> Phone: +1 647 638-4104
>> Twitter: @kjrose
>>
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I wonder what the rationale for that is. If it's generally preferable to
put your money toward strengthening the Tor network, then why allow
donations to the Tor project at all?
Nick
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:10 A=
M, Michael Kirk <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:michael.john.kirk@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">michael.john.kirk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrot=
e:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">For some reason the [tor donation page] d=
oesn't want your bitcoins.<div>
<br></div><div><snip></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,2=
55,237)">Instead of donating bitcoins to Tor, please consider a donation to=
=A0</span><a href=3D"https://www.torservers.net/donate.html" style=3D"margi=
n:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helveti=
ca,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(78,106,32);line-heigh=
t:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,237)" target=3D"_blank">Torservers.net<=
/a><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;lin=
e-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,237)">,=A0</span><a href=3D"http=
://noisetor.net/#bitcoin" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outlin=
e:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:=
baseline;color:rgb(78,106,32);line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255=
,237)" target=3D"_blank">NoiseTor</a><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,237)">, or</span><a href=3D"https://tails.boum.org/contribute/how/donate/=
#bitcoin" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:=
13px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:r=
gb(78,106,32);line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,237)" target=3D=
"_blank">Tails</a><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px;line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,237)">=A0which wi=
ll turn your bitcoin donation into a faster, larger Tor Network for all.</s=
pan><br>
</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:=
13px;line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,237)"></snip></spa=
n></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px;line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,255,237)"><br>
</span></div><div>[tor donation page]<span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:20px;background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,237)"><br></span></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.torproject.org/donate/=
donate.html.en" target=3D"_blank">https://www.torproject.org/donate/donate.=
html.en</a></div>
<div><div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1=
7, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kelly John Rose <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto=
:iam@kjro.se" target=3D"_blank">iam@kjro.se</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">I think a surprising number of people could be talked into=
$10/mo.<br>
<br>
If the donations could be done effectively anonymously, it could<br>
probably get far more.<br>
<div><div><br>
On 17/10/2013 11:55 AM, Jerry Leichter wrote:<br>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Dave Howe <<a href=3D"mailto:davehowe.=
pentesting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">davehowe.pentesting@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br>
>>> Guys, in order to minimize Tor Project's dependance on<br>
>>> federal funding and/or increase what they can do it<br>
>>> would be great to have some additional funding ~10 kUSD/month.=
<br>
>> I would say what is needed is not one source at $10K/month but 10K=
<br>
>> sources at $1/month.<br>
>><br>
>> A single source of funding is *always* a single source of control.=
<br>
> It's also easier to find sources of smaller amounts.<br>
><br>
> I couldn't come close to funding $10K/month, but might be talked i=
nto $10/month.<br>
><br>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Jerry<br>
><br>
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et=3D"_blank">http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography</a><br>
><br>
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</div></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Kelly John Rose<br>
Mississauga, ON<br>
Phone: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20647%20638-4104" value=3D"+16476384104" target=
=3D"_blank">+1 647 638-4104</a><br>
Twitter: @kjrose<br>
<br>
Document contents are confidential between original recipients and sender.<=
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ckquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I wonder what the ration=
ale for that is. If it's generally preferable to put your money toward =
strengthening the Tor network, then why allow donations to the Tor project =
at all?<div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div>Nick</div></div></div>
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