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Re: [Cryptography] TAO, NSA crypto backdoor program
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?Lodewijk_andr=C3=A9_de_l)
Thu Jan 2 00:10:58 2014
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 22:30:21 +0100
To: Raphael Jacquot <sxpert@sxpert.org>
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2013/12/31 Raphael Jacquot <sxpert@sxpert.org>
> ANT is a division of TAO, customers are other NSA people.
>
Yeah, I guess so. The question is whether or not it's naive to think it's
just the NSA, it should be the CIA too sometimes. Perhaps even a company on
a rare occasion.
"DNT's BANANAGLEE and CES's ZESTYLEAK" - there seem to be at least two
> companies, DNT and CES, with which the NSA works intimately.
>
> DNT and CES are probably other NSA divisions, customers of ANT=E2=80=99s =
products
>
On wikipedia it says:
CES Cryptanalysis and Exploitation Services (Also known as S31)
DNT is not mentioned however. It's probably something similarly obvious and
uninteresting, or it would've been blacked out. Or they missed it? Maybe
it's a division elsewhere in the DoD?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2013=
/12/31 Raphael Jacquot <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sxpert@sxper=
t.org" target=3D"_blank">sxpert@sxpert.org</a>></span><br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px=
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x">
<div>ANT is a division of TAO, customers are other NSA people.</div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, I guess so. The question is whether or not =
it's naive to think it's just the NSA, it should be the CIA too som=
etimes. Perhaps even a company on a rare occasion.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>"DNT's BANANAGLEE and CES's ZESTYLEAK" - there seem =
to be at least two companies, DNT and CES, with which the NSA works intimat=
ely.<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">=C2=A0</span></div></div></div></di=
v>
</blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,20=
4,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>DNT and CES are proba=
bly other NSA divisions, customers of ANT=E2=80=99s products</div>
</blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>On wikipedia it say=
s:</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">CES=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;line-height:19.19034=
0042114258px">=C2=A0Cryptanalysis and Exploitation Services (Also known as =
S31)</span></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans=
-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;line-height:19.190340042114258px"><br=
></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;line-height:19.19034004=
2114258px">DNT is not mentioned however. It's probably something simila=
rly obvious and uninteresting, or it would've been blacked out. Or they=
missed it? Maybe it's a division elsewhere in the DoD?</span></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"line-height:19.1875px"><br></span></font><br></div></div>
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