[1703] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: [Mit-talk] Re: [Sponge-talk] dollar bill mural
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Cathy Zhang)
Wed Dec 14 18:06:44 2005
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:04:28 -0500
From: Cathy Zhang <zhangc@mit.edu>
To: Andrew Lukmann <lukymann@mit.edu>
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That's a good question...all I know is that it appears in hack history,
such as in bldg 56.
About the glass lounge...it really is a fishbowl. People taking tours or
whatever will simply peer in and examine the students in the lounge,
whether they're studying or sleeping. It's so...exposed. And isn't the
infinite open 24-7? So technically anyone could walk in there and just
examine us all...kind of a creepy thought.
-Cathy
Andrew Lukmann wrote:
> Is that really a hack?
> How does one begin to define a hack anyway, inpermanence does seem to
> be one of the defining characteristics in my mind...
>
> At what point does a fraternity prank like the smoot marks get defined
> as a hack?
>
> -ATL
>
> Jeff Roberts wrote:
>
>>Touche.
>>
>>On 12/14/05, Cathy Zhang <zhangc@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pardon, but hasn't the smoot hack been around for a long while now? And
>>>it's not like anyone's planning to get rid of the smoot marks...
>>>
>>>-Cathy
>>>
>>>Jeff Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>As a member of the evil planning profession I'm probably personna non
>>>>grata in this conversation, but I thought I'd throw out a couple
>>>>pseudo-historical, pseudo-spiritual considerations ...
>>>>
>>>>1. Someone mentioned the dollar bill being part of "hacking history"
>>>>and that's certainly true. I'm no expert on hacking but it seems that
>>>>there are virtually no cases where hacks last forever. They are acts
>>>>of spontaneity and humor that have a limited lifespan, and then are
>>>>taken down in anticipation of the next hack that catches people's
>>>>fancy. Old hacks continue to exist in stories, and in the permanent
>>>>collection of the MIT Museum -- is that where the dollar bill belongs
>>>>now?
>>>>
>>>>2. Sure the mural looks cool, but will it really have the same effect
>>>>if the cashier's office is no longer behind it? MIT decided it was
>>>>time for the cashier's office to move on to a new home -- and students
>>>>generally did not object -- so is it time for the dollar bill to find
>>>>a new home as well? Should this new lounge space start with a "blank
>>>>slate" allowing students to excercise their creativity in new ways,
>>>>giving it a character more appropriate to what the space is used for?
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, that's just something to think about, I'm not really
>>>>advocating for getting rid of the mural and I'm certainly not saying
>>>>you should stop trying to save it -- I love it when students rally to
>>>>save an important part of "MIT history", especially when they don't
>>>>really know what that history is (anyone who's spent any significant
>>>>time at the MIT Archives, raise your hand) ...
>>>>
>>>>Jeff
>>>>--
>>>>Drink Moxie
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>--
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>>
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That's a good question...all I know is that it appears in hack history,
such as in bldg 56.<br>
<br>
About the glass lounge...it really is a fishbowl. People taking tours
or whatever will simply peer in and examine the students in the lounge,
whether they're studying or sleeping. It's so...exposed. And isn't the
infinite open 24-7? So technically anyone could walk in there and just
examine us all...kind of a creepy thought.<br>
<br>
-Cathy<br>
<br>
Andrew Lukmann wrote:
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Is that really a hack?<br>
How does one begin to define a hack anyway, inpermanence does seem to
be one of the defining characteristics in my mind...<br>
<br>
At what point does a fraternity prank like the smoot marks get defined
as a hack?<br>
<br>
-ATL<br>
<br>
Jeff Roberts wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Touche.
On 12/14/05, Cathy Zhang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:zhangc@mit.edu"><zhangc@mit.edu></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Pardon, but hasn't the smoot hack been around for a long while now? And
it's not like anyone's planning to get rid of the smoot marks...
-Cathy
Jeff Roberts wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">As a member of the evil planning profession I'm probably personna non
grata in this conversation, but I thought I'd throw out a couple
pseudo-historical, pseudo-spiritual considerations ...
1. Someone mentioned the dollar bill being part of "hacking history"
and that's certainly true. I'm no expert on hacking but it seems that
there are virtually no cases where hacks last forever. They are acts
of spontaneity and humor that have a limited lifespan, and then are
taken down in anticipation of the next hack that catches people's
fancy. Old hacks continue to exist in stories, and in the permanent
collection of the MIT Museum -- is that where the dollar bill belongs
now?
2. Sure the mural looks cool, but will it really have the same effect
if the cashier's office is no longer behind it? MIT decided it was
time for the cashier's office to move on to a new home -- and students
generally did not object -- so is it time for the dollar bill to find
a new home as well? Should this new lounge space start with a "blank
slate" allowing students to excercise their creativity in new ways,
giving it a character more appropriate to what the space is used for?
Anyway, that's just something to think about, I'm not really
advocating for getting rid of the mural and I'm certainly not saying
you should stop trying to save it -- I love it when students rally to
save an important part of "MIT history", especially when they don't
really know what that history is (anyone who's spent any significant
time at the MIT Archives, raise your hand) ...
Jeff
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Drink Moxie
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