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Re: [Cryptography] [IP] 'We cannot trust' Intel and Via's
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jerry Leichter)
Mon Dec 23 18:17:15 2013
X-Original-To: cryptography@metzdowd.com
From: Jerry Leichter <leichter@lrw.com>
In-Reply-To: <20131223140146.6704C2280C9@palinka.tinho.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:20:58 -0500
To: dan@geer.org
Cc: cryptography@metzdowd.com, Bill Cox <waywardgeek@gmail.com>
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On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:01 AM, dan@geer.org wrote:
> There must be a {rule of thumb, nomogram, proportionality constant}
> relating the build-up of complexity and the build-up of occult risk,
> mustn't there? Machines beat human chess (and other game) players
> not by being smarter but by grinding a solution out. One wonders
> if AI doesn't eventually have the power to find back doors that no
> human could ever find.
I hadn't thought about it in those terms, but I think it's a solid bet =
that someone's working on that. Chip design is already very heavily =
dependent on rule checking and all kinds of analysis. And everyone is =
trying to reverse-engineer everyone else's designs. All the =
underpinnings are there. And various parts of the US military and =
security establishment are quite aware - have, in fact, talked publicly =
about - the problem of "spiked" chips making it into their supply =
chains.
> Then what?
Yet another arms race.
-- Jerry
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